Clinton Library Won't Release Berger Documents

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  1. Revmitchell

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    The William Jefferson Clinton Presidential Library will not make available to the public the documents that former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger illegally took from the National Archives in 2003.

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    But of course this will not effect many from support of the carpetbagger.
     
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    (Bolded type below is out of respect for the US Constitution and the offices these individuals hold, held, and/or seek.)

    Let me say, first, that I am not in the least surprised that these "removed documents" are not being released. I would have been far more surprised, if they had been released, frankly.

    That said -

    FTR, I am no political fan of either Sen. Hillary Clinton or Sen. Barack Obama, and not much more of a political fan of Sen. John McCain, although I do respect his military service and what he went through, just as I have the highest respect that for that of Sen. Daniel Inouye, and former Sens. Bob Dole and Max Cleland, to name some that immediately come to mind. And for the first time in my 'voting life' of 42 years, I also may well be voting for one, other than a "major party" candidate for President.

    However -

    It is a complete lie that Sen. Clinton is a 'carpetbagger', by definition.

    [Although I guess, by your definition, one could consider every major party Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominee in the last four elections, as well as the three leading candidates for President in 2008, as "carpetbaggers" except for the quartet of President Clinton, VP Quayle, and Sens. Lieberman and Dole, as they are the only four born in the states they were 'candidates' from. Neither President Bush (41) nor Bush (43), VPs. Gore and Cheney, Sec'y. Kemp, or Sen. Edwards were born in the states they were 'residents' of. Also, among leading 3rd party candidates over that time, only Ross Perot is not a 'carpetbagger', by your attempted definition. Candidates Stockdale, Choate, Nader, Buchanan, LaDuke, Foster, and Camejo were not born in their 'resident' states, either, and 5 out of 18 is not exactly a great percentage.

    Come to think of it, Presidents Lincoln, Wilson, Hoover, Eisenhower and Ford (the last of which was not even born as Gerald Ford) were also "carpetbaggers".)] :rolleyes:

    And yet, you seem determined to keep repeating this lie, over and over, for some reason. Incidentally, I have called your hand twice on this, previously, on the Baptist Board.

    Senator Hillary Clinton has met each and every requirement for the Senate seat in the State from whence she has been elected to serve as a Senator, as well as all those in the United States Constitution. Therefore Sen. Clinton is fully qualified to serve as a Senator representing New York.

    Senator Barack Obama has met each and every requirement for the Senate seat in the State from whence he has been elected to serve as a Senator, as well as all those in the United States Constitution. Therefore, Sen. Obama is fully qualified to serve as a Senator representing Illinois.

    Senator John McCain has met each and every requirement for the Senate seat in the State from whence he has been elected to serve as a Senator, as well as all those in the United States Constitution. Therefore, Sen. McCain is fully qualified to serve as a Senator representing Arizona.

    Ergo, Sen. Hillary Clinton is no more of a 'carpetbagger', that is either Senator Barack Obama or Sen. John McCain, for not one of these three were born in the state they currently represent in the United States Senate. (All three are undoubtedly, a lot of things, many of which are far less than positive and complimentary, IMO, but "carpertbagger" is not one of them, athough I might be inclined to go along with "scalawags".)

    BTW, only Senator Clinton, of the three current candidates above, was born in any US 'state'; Sen. McCain and Sen. Obama were both born on "US soil", but in the US Canal Zone and Territory of Hawaii, respectively, but all three are still "a natural born citizen", by definition.

    Frequently, I hear individuals decrying the fact that politicians lie, regularly, as a manner of course. I have to believe, from the reading your posts, that you are one of those individuals.

    If that is, in fact, the case, have you considered running for political office? If you have not, may I suggest that you give it serious consideration. You do appear to be very well qualified, and frankly, far better qualitied for an office in 'politics',<personal attack deleted - LE - please note personal attacks are against the BB rules>
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    First I am not aware of any post you have made with regards to the use of the term carpetbagger. However, you are incorrect. the term is used to describe those who run for office in a state with which they have had no previous connection with. Meeting requirements of residency doesnt change the purpose of her move to the state.


    Not relevent to the topic.

    Not relevent to the topic.

    I have cleared this up.

    Please clear up this false accusation you are making.

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    Wow! Sounds like Ed has an ax to grind. RM, what have you done to this guy? :laugh: Those were some very serious statements.

    Now, "back at the ranch." The Clintons are the most dirty politicians that have ever ran for public office save for the Kennedys. This is just par for the course for them.
     
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    :laugh: I think it kinda fits, myself.

    Hillary had no connection with the state of New York before she picked that state to run for the Senate. Only then did she establish residence there.

    It is reminiscent of the "carpetbagger" days.

    As for the actual topic...
    I believe some information very damaging to the former Clinton administration is being hidden. Berger would not have taken such a risk otherwise.
     
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    Moving into a state to profit from easy pickens is carpet bagging.
     
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    Clearly she meets the definition.
     
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    And with all the bad things we already KNOW about the Clinton administration--the scary thing is thinking about how/why really damaging this could be to want it out of the public arena right now!
     
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    I'm not surprised the documents won't be released either.

    No comments on carpet bags except that I loved the one Mary Poppins carried and always wanted one just like it ;)
     
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    I'd like to put them all in carpet bags.
     
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    They would all fit in the one Mary Poppins carried. :tongue3:
     
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    Me, too, Bitsy!!! And if Bro. Curtis used HER carpetbag, he could hit 'em all with her umbrell-ey!!!
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    I do not particularly disagree with your assessment, here, and in fact tend to strongly agree. But that is an entirely different issue from that of a 'carpetbagger'.

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    On this, I can also agree. Do you need a small donation for a piece of carpet??

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    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1221634&postcount=6

    I was incorrect to state that I had done this twice, previously, but only one time. Apparently I had only thought it one of the times before, and not replied to it, so I do apologize for saying I called your hand twice.

    Why is this not relevant? Both the individual Sen. Obama defeated, Amb. Alan Keyes, and Sen. John McCain were accused of also being 'carpetbaggers, as were, incidentally, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, Pres. George W. Bush, and FL Gov. 'Jeb' Bush, as well. Selective 'carpetbagging', here, maybe?? :rolleyes:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger#United_States
    I deny this to be any false accusation.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1220716&postcount=5

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=49271&page=2

    specifically, this post, in the thread titled Al Gore - Fear Mongering Liar

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1223387&postcount=13

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1195130&highlight=liar#post1195130

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1222771&postcount=4

    And you announced that you might consider voting for a particular candidate, for whom incidentally, I already have voted for in the past for the nomination for President, Alan Keyes, because he was not a liar among other reasons. (Guess 'carpetbagger' must be selective, here as I suggested, however.)

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1220374&postcount=2
    I have never attacked anyone's so-called "call of a pastor" (except to say that I do not see this specifically stated anywhere in Scripture) neither a church's perogative to call anyone they wish to fill that role on the BB, or anywhere else, for that matter. I did (and have frequently) mention (some of) the Biblical qualifications for the offices of deacon and elder, with Scripture. Incidentally, once again I will state that there are no "qualifications" for the gift of pastor/teacher, except the sole discretion of the Holy Spirit. The "office of 'bishop/elder' " is another matter, entirely.
    Aside from the fact that we differ in understanding of "carpetbagger", as I refuse to allow contemporary pejorative usage to determine the "definition", where have I made any false accusation, against you or anyone else, here?

    FTR, the Constitution does not demand any Senator or Representative be a resident of the state they represent, except at "when elected". That means that an individual could theoretically move to a state one day before an election actually takes place, and the election to that office would be valid, according to the US Constitution. That might not be the case according to the State's Constitution, however.

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    I don't recall anyone questioning the legality of Hillary's Senatorial position.

    The term "carpetbagger" applies more to her motives for choosing New York and is, I believe, essentially accurate.

    But it's still off topic. I suggest you start another thread to state your feelings on carpetbagging.
     
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    It doesnt matter what you like with regards to modern terms. What you like or dislike doesnt sway me one way or the other. And you can play semantics with terms like elder/pastor if you want to. But I make no such distinction. And the fact that you even bring it up shows your persoanl axe to grind as has been stated. And it was in fact an attack on my call.

    Now I have never made any statements in your direction except in these last few posts in which you addressed me. So you personal attcke here is quite over the top and out of the blue. It appears you should have pmed me with your personal distaste for who knows what as of yet. Because to tell the truth you are like spilled milk, all over the place. I will be glad to except you apology in a pm. Outside of that I am doen talking with you especially since you highjacked this thread with your axe.
     
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    Please refrain from personal attacks - they are against the BB Rules. I am closing this thread without further ado.

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