Cognitive Dissonance & 911

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  1. Earth Wind and Fire

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    My area of the country (NY & NJ / "The FRIED state area") experienced 1st hand the trauma of 911 & so it is difficult when people introduce scientific data into the situation.... kinda like exhuming the body after you have dealt with the pain of death.

    Really, what is the reality & is there a bigger picture? Is my prior rational faulty, has a hoax been perpetrated.....and can I grapple with the scientific evidence that was 1st ignored?

    Anyway this video (albeit long) is a recent find for me & I consider it an interesting summary. Its more stunning to me because Ive worked with many of the Architects & Engineers who gave testimony in the video so I know them to be upstanding citizens attempting to piece together just what happened that fateful day.

    Much of this has been stuck in my mind & why Ive shunned working in NYC for over 10 years. Tell me what you think if you get a chance to view it.

    Thanks

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1l-8PFk8j5I#t=2757s
     
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    There are things that were on the web right after it happened that are probably scrubbed from the web by now and they were not widely publicized.

    In Tennessee, a person died in a fiery explosive car "accident" - this woman was a driver's license examiner who issued TN driver's licenses to some muslim men - men, who then "did some engineering work" at the WTC just a few days before 09/11.

    I will try to find links.

    Unfortunately, this was not examined by the media or by the 09/11 truthers, to the best of my knowledge. This would account for the "controlled demolition" after the planes hit.

    There were several people, as I recall, who died "mysteriously" by suicide, or whatever, after 09/11. Don't recall the specifics, but I think I had posted this information on the BB at one time, although this is all probably "lost" in the archives or cyberspace.

    There's more, later.....
     
  3. pinoybaptist

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    I watched it, brother.
    all I can say is I think it is a provocative video.
    it provokes.
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    They said: ask questions.
    Okay.
    Let's ask questions:

    Are they saying that ALL American presidents and ALL American administration have been complicit in something ?
    What is that something ?
    Are they saying that the Bush administration, or the CIA, or WHOever, stage managed the demise of 2,700 human beings .... FOR WHAT PURPOSE? WHY ?
    Notice that they stopped short of stating exactly that: that the Bush administration, or someone in the Bush administration, in effect, MURDERED 2,700 human beings.
    FOR WHAT ?
    Their own video couldn't show anything that such a purpose could have gained.
    Are they saying that the subsequent loss of lives from the conflicts that arose, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc., the expenses for these wars, the loss of some liberties, were all designed to bring the American people to their knees, to soften them up, for the incoming New World Order, spearheaded by.....tararantarantaran....Barack Hussein Obama ?
    The frustrating thing is that they leave it up to you to conclude, and THAT is the purpose of propaganda, of agitprop, to agitate, to stimulate, to point you to a conclusion where you feel frustrated, angry, mistrusting, grasping at air.
    It's a dangerous video, brother.

    They want questions ?
    Here are some questions:

    1. Was Barack Hussein Obama in fact fairly and honestly elected as president again ?
    2. Were the reported computer glitches (press Romney, credit Obama, ooopps !) fact, or fiction ?
    3. If fact, what is being done about it ? Will it make a difference this far out from November 6 ?
    4. Is it true that there are those with overt and covert ties to the Muslim Brotherhood seated right now in some positions in this administration ?
    5. Is Barack Hussein Obama a NATURAL born American citizen, and not a foreign born individual whose American citizenship stems from his mother being a natural born American citizen at the time of his birth wherever ?
    6. Who gave the order to stand down at Benghazi ? Why was that order given ?

    Lots of other REAL questions that can be asked which if answered can be remedied legally, too.

    But the questions and the intrigues they are raising in that video ? The only remedy, if that is true, is to TAKE UP ARMS because that is the only justice those victims can get, and that the American people can hope to get.

    Another question:
    Are they willing to lead the charge ? or will they take cover in the "I'm academe" crap and "I'm a scientist" bull but "if you want to do that, I take my hat off to you".
    I'm familiar with that.
    Most of the materials I got in my time in agitprop in the 60's in my country were from academe and "scientists".

    I'd take that video with a plateful of salt, really.
     
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    So you were a "Minister of Propaganda" LOL, no not you. No Tim, I am not seeing that objective..... Rather & because I know many of these PE's & Architects, Im confident they are NOT conspiracy theorists....rather they are putting there names & reputations on the line & asking us to review new scientific findings. Thats where Im leaving it!!!
     
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    yeah, leave it there, brother.
    I'm not disrespecting your being acquainted with them.
    Just that when I see stuff like that, red flags go up.
     
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    I can believe he worked in the "ministry of propaganda". His long post is designed to cause confusion, fill our minds with doubt and draw our attention away from the evidence. Which is really what this video is about. I haven't watched this video in quite some time but if I remember correctly it wasn't made to answer everyone's questions or to solve any mystery it was made to make evidence available to the public that has otherwise been overlooked or dare I say it? Yes I do! Suppressed by the corporate controlled media.

    He's pretty good but not that good. Getting a bit rusty I reckon. :smilewinkgrin:

    Here's another video on the 7-7 London Tube Bombings you may want to take a look at.

    I have a question. Why would the Joint Chiefs of Staff draw up a plan for a false flag attack and fake terror campaign that would take place on American soil possibly killing American citizens in 1962?

    Here's the actual document.

    Why would American military leaders want to use a false flag attack and fake terror campaign against their own people?

    Could it be that "democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization", and the government's ability to grab more power increases in times of crisis?



    Yeah and so do the smoke screens. :)
     
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    To accuse people who don't buy this horse-hockey of "cognitive dissonance" is only designed to make yourself feel better.

    So I watched the first segment, and despite the sub-woofer going nuts and the cacophonous strings (designed to disorient the watcher, BTW, I know a thing or two about entertainment & production), I noticed that the fact these buildings (all three of them) were DESIGNED to collapse on themselves is never mentioned. Kinda makes this a one-sided rant.

    The second segment seems to be a collection of people admitting they cannot get evidence to support this theory.

    The third segment is more ignoring of the original deisgn. Never mentioned, Why ?

    Then the classic denial that fuel fires can warp steel.

    Then, at last, some smarmy insults about the people who don't buy it.

    Cognitive dissonance is a mirror.
     
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    This is a new one on me Bro can you provide some evidence that these building were DESIGNED to collapse on themselves? I'd like to see it for myself.
     
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    So I can have the source ridiculed ? No thanx.

    I watched the video. The only thing it proved is how intolerant truthers are to people who aren't truthers.

    I know you truthers get a lot of insults. This term is just you insulting back.
     
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    I wasn't trying to insult you or be intolerant Bro. All I asked for was some evidence to back up your statement. That's all.

    I have seen evidence that the twin towers building were designed to withstand direct and even multiple direct hits from airliners but I have never even heard of any evidence that they were designed to collapse on themselves.

    Now that I have I can look it up for myself. Not that I wouldn't take your word our the word of any other official conspiracy theory believer. I just have a thing about looking at all the evidence for myself. You understand, right?
     
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    @PONCHO:

    lol. okay, let me put it this way.
    Assuming you're right, now you got people agitated, now you got people angry, what are you gonna do about it ?
    Are you willing to take it to the next level ?
    When you agitate people, there are those who would want to TALK about it, and there are those who want to DO SOMETHING about it, and both of these are looking at you, and those with you who started the agitation, and mind you, when these people congregate, there will be those who will act as agents provocateurs, either from the big bad murderous government side, or the righteously indignant properly agitated masses.
    You willing to take on that responsibility, brave man ?
    Because I can almost bet you everything, even swear on my mother's grave, except for a few conspiracy theorists like Jesse Ventura maybe, most of these "here's the evidence our government is fooling us" academe and scientists loudmouths, would rather talk than put up their dukes. Their mouths are bigger than their <edited - LE>.
    They'd cheer you on, but they won't get their hands dirty.
    So, you willing to take it to the next logical level ?
    If yes, then let's do it.
    Let's forget everything we've learned from the Bible, pick up the gun, and bring this big bad monsters out and blow their brains out because talking just ain' gon' get you nowhere.
    We gotta give those poor innocent victims justice, and their loved ones they left behind closure, instead of yapping on youtube about evidence which we don't make a video of.
    You see where I'm going ?
    This is all aggravating.
    What you are doing is fomenting distrust, disgust, and hatred against your own government.
    Tell me that is scriptural, that is Christian, and I will look at and listen to every "learned, educated" scholarly conspiracist there is, on this continent and across the Atlantic.
    Maybe you're right.
    Maybe they're right.
    But agitating for unrest is WRONG.
     
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    You sure do have to sift thru a lot of garbage when you research this.
     
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    Yeah I do see where you are going, in a direction to avoid answering my question.

    I see a few other things I'd be happy to comment on to but for now I just want to see if you'll keep typing up volumes of words to avoid one answering simple question. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Now that is the truth! I guess your job is easier than mine. It takes truthers months even years to sift through all the garbage to find evidence that you can dismiss with just your own opinion.

    You'd have thought we'd have given up by now. And we probably would have if the evidence didn't keep stacking up against the official conspiracy theory.:type:
     
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    @Poncho:

    I didn't answer because I think your whole premise is ridiculous and laughable.

    Now, I asked YOU a question.
    Assuming you're correct with all your conspiracy theories: What are you gon' do about it ?

    I bet I know the answer: nothing. you just like to talk about it and get people's blood pressures up, hear your voice and marvel at how smart you are and everybody else is dumb.
     
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    Actually, I find the exact opposite to be true. 9/11 information searches definately favor your view.
     
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    No, I think you won't answer it because you haven't got the berries. :smilewinkgrin:

    I think you are afraid to answer my question because people might see your fear based propaganda for what it is. I've been demonized before so it doesn't bother me I like it as a matter of fact the more people see you doing it to avoid answering a simple question the less credible you become.
     
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    My only view is that the government lied to us on 9/11 just like it lies to us every other day.
     
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    Here ya go....

    Scrubbed from the web (due to political correctness, no doubt), but managed to dig this up from Free Republic. (Links on there are "not found" of course.)

    She was supposed to testify and got bumped off.

    I'll try to find the part where they had been in the WTC a couple of days before 09/11. More later....

    Okay, here - original link to Go Memphis no longer found, of course....

    Rest here: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/SakherHammad_WTC_9-11.html


    So, the question begs to be asked - was any of this information in the official 09/11 report? Has any of this information been assimilated throughout the truther theories? No, of course not. The REAL political correctness mentality started with 09/11 and, I must say, the political correctness agenda was advanced by none other than GW Bush!! Why wasn't the media all over this information? Where was Michael Moore - did he mention it in his film? No. And we must ask why?
     
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    To all of those who buy into this stupidity I say "Good Luck with that :thumbs: "
     

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