Common English Bible

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  1. Rippon

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    Yes,I am aware of the many negatives about this version of God's Holy Word. I will address them at a later time in this thread. You will not surprise me with anything new. Some readings I certainly oppose. I know that it was produced with few conservative Evangelicals. But first I'd like to quote a number of striking passages.

    Psalm 23:6:Yes,goodness and faithful love will pursue me all the days of my life,and I will live in the Lord's house as long as I live.

    Pursue is a very apt word in this context. "Follow me" is rather weak in comparison.

    Ephesians 6:18b: Stay alert by hanging in there and praying for all the believers.

    Philippians 2:6 : Though he was in the form of God,he did not consider being equal with God something to exploit.

    Philippians 3:1b :It's no trouble for me to repeat the same things to you because they will keep you on tract.

    Philippians 3:8b-9a: I have lost everything for him,but what I lost I think of as sewer trash,so that I might gain Christ and be found in him.

    Hebrews 1:3a :The Son is the light of God's glory and the imprint of God's being.

    James 5:5b:You have stuffed your hearts in preparation for the day of slaughter.

    2 Peter 2:12 : These false teachers are like irrational animal,mere creatures of instinct, born to be captured and destroyed. They slander what they don't understand and,like animals,they will be destroyed.
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    I have many more examples that I will give later on. Like it or not,this version is getting to be very popular. I think it needs a number of evangelical revisions,but it it is taking its place in the top selling English Bible translations. It leans a bit more towrd the mediating side of things. However,the largely functionally-equivalent NLTse is better overall in my very humble opinion.
     
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    Psalm 139:24 : Look to see if there is any idolatrous way in me,then lead me on the eternal path.

    Acts 18:15 : However,since these are squabbles about a message,names,and your own Law,deal with them yourselves. I have no desire to sit in judgment over such things.

    Romans 6:19a : (I'm speaking with ordinary metaphors because of your limitations.)

    1 Thess. 2:16b : Their sins are constantly pushing the limit. God's wrath has caught up with them in the end.

    1 Timothy 6:10 : The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. Some have wandered away from the faith and have impaled themselves with a lot of pain because they made money their goal.

    1 Tim. 6:14 : Obey this order without fault or failure until the appearance of our Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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    Some Psalms Snips

    2:10a : So kings,wise up!

    17:7a : Manifest your faithful love

    21:4a : He asked you for life,and you gave it to him allright ---

    37:11 : But the weak will inherit the land;they will enjoy a surplus of peace.

    39:6a : Yes,people wander around like shadows;yes,they hustle and bustle,

    76:7a : You! You are awesome!

    86:10c : You are God. Just you.
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    I am not impressed with these renderings,especially the last two. The CEB needs a rewrite. The NLT is superior.
     
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    Some Better Rendered Snips in the CEB...

    compared with the NIV follow.The letter C stands for CEB and N stands for NIV. I used some examples from P.W.Comfort's book on textual criticism for these listings. Of course the CEB had not yet been released to the public at that time.

    Matt. 12:4
    C : by eating the bread
    N : he and his copanions ate

    Matt. 15:5c
    C : don't have to honor your father
    N : they are not to honor their father or mother with it

    Luke 17:3
    C : If your brother or sister sins
    N : If your brother or sister sins against you

    Luke 24:32
    C : our hearts on fire
    N : our hearts burning within us

    John 6:69
    C : We believe and know
    N : We have come to believe and to know

    John 7:52
    C : the prophet
    N : a prophet

    John 18:5,6,8
    C : I Am
    N : I am he

    Romans 1:1
    C : slave
    N : servant

    Romans 8:34
    C : also is
    N : is at

    1 Cor. 11:16
    C : custom
    N : practice

    2 Thess. 2:13
    C : chose you from the beginning
    N : chose you as firstfruits

    Titus 1:6
    C : faithful children
    N :whose children believe

    Titus 3:1
    C : them
    N : the people

    Heb. 11:4
    C : offered a better sacrifice
    N : brought God a better offering

    Heb. 12:24
    C : the new covenant
    N : a new covenant

    James 5:5
    C : for the day of slaughter
    N : in the day of slaughter

    1 John 4:11
    C : God loved us this way
    N : so loved us

    3 John 9
    C : I wrote something to the church
    N : I wrote to the church

    Rev. 2:22
    C : her practices
    N : her ways

    Rev. 12:8
    C : But they did not
    N : But he wasnot

    Rev. 18:3
    C : have fallen
    N : have drunk
     
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    I often look at passages in the CEB, but I'm not sure the need for it with the abundance of other similar translations in that part of the spectrum. Given the numbers of the denominations that are sponsoring, it's going to be a big seller. Does it have some particular strengths that would recommend it above the NIV, HSCB, NLT, etc?
     
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    Not really. The NLTse does a better job for the market they hope to capture.
     
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    This version was produced by a committee made up of mainline scholars. (Think UMC, PCUSA, ECUSA, UCC, etc.) It's not the same origin as the NLT, NIV, etc. which are evangelical translations. And overall it's not quite the same target market either although I'm sure they'd like it to be read by as many as possible.

    They already have the NRSV, which is a more formal translation. So this looks like the dynamic mainline version, although that sort of already existed with the TEV/Good News Bible. But the latter was largely a one man translation, at least in the NT, if memory serves.

    It does seem to be consistently ranked at about 6 or 7 in the CBA rankings. I'm guessing that some of that is just because it's new. I'm not sure who is buying it since when you go into a typical mainline church hardly anyone has a Bible. (Baptists still typically bring a Bible even if they never open it during the week.) Maybe churches are buying it in bulk. But they've also managed to get the CEB into Walmart. But I don't think Walmart (or Books a Million or online) sales are included in the CBA rankings. (As I understand it, CBA consists of strictly Christian booksellers.)

    A lot of people in the mainline churches who do read the Bible read the NIV (or maybe the NLT) if they don't read the NRSV. No doubt, others use something else. I've come across some United Methodists online who use the ESV. So maybe that's part of the market that they are trying to capture, those who are using "fundamentalist" (from their perspective) translations.

    I'm surprised Rippon didn't note the CEB's rendering of "Human One" instead of "Son of Man."
     
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    You are right about that Pilgrim. The target marget is really the more theologically liberal-minded. I misspoke.

    In my OP I had said that I would address some negatives later on. Certainly the Human One is a big negative. But there was a thread in the past,maybe 2 or three years ago that addressed this and other problems with the CEB. I had contributed some particulars at that time.
     

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