In the other thread it was clearly shown that many Calvinistic scholars (including Calvin himself) affirm that "God loves all people" and genuinely "desires all people to be saved." I presented these quotes in effort to show that this CAN and SHOULD be COMMON-GROUND for Arminian (non-cal) and Calvinistic believers. In the process we learned that many here don't share this "common ground" with men like John Calvin, J.MacArthur, J. Piper, RC Sproul, C. Spurgeon, JI Packer, J. Edwards, Thomas Boston, John Brown, Andrew Fuller, W. G. T. Shedd, R. L. Dabney, B. B. Warfield, John Murray, R. B. Kuiper, and many others. So, my question is this: How can we rightly call what some here believe is "Calvinism" if Calvin himself and many of his mainstream followers wouldn't affirm this doctrine? Since "hyper-Calvinism" (what Phil Johnson has called this view) tends to connote anti-evangelism, what term would better fit those here who "out Calvin the Calvinists?" Maybe "extreme-Calvinism" or "Radically Reformed?" Why not just affirm the clear biblical revelation regarding God's love and desire for the salvation of all people? Why must this be a point of contention?