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Featured Conceal Carry in Church?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Ben W, Apr 4, 2013.

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  1. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
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    You have already been corrected regarding your misuse of scripture. The bible teaches that we "do not murder." If you actually believed your bible you would know that because when Jesus quoted that commandment He said in Mark 10:19 "You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’”

    You have also been corrected by being told that Jesus COMMANDS us to take up arms to protect ourselves and others. Luke 22:36 "Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.""

    Why you, who claims to be "alive in Christ" can have so little regard for His word puzzles me. Shame on you!
     
    #81 TCassidy, Apr 10, 2013
  2. Alive in Christ

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    Casiddy...

    You are entitled to your opinions and convictions, as I am mine.

    I have great peace regarding my convitions.



    God bless
     
    #82 Alive in Christ, Apr 10, 2013
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    And Jesus saying about those who live by the sword die by the sword negates your intent of using them against people.

    You make the same mistake the disciples made, you take his words literally and ignore the following verse. It is explained better in the following quote:
     
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  4. Alive in Christ

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    You posted...

    Good find. Of course, I agree.
     
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    No, no.

    You're argument for why people absolutely should not carry a gun to church is because they ought to just trust God.

    Why shouldn't they just trust God on the battlefield in the same way?

    You can either trust God to protect you at all times and all places and thus never carry a gun or you can believe that carrying a gun is useful in any place where it is at all possible that your life could be threatened.

    To accuse people of not trusting God simply because they carry a gun to church is utterly ridiculous.

    They ought to blind fold themselves on their drive to church to REALLY show how much they trust God!

    Then we could REALLY commend them for their awesome faith!
     
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  6. Luke2427

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    Excellent point!

    Why put fire extinguishers in church? Why not just TRUST GOD?


    Why put up exit signs in church? Why not just trust God to show you the way out if the room is filled with smoke??


    Why build churches with ails? Why not put pews or chair up helter skelter and trust God to show you how to get to where he wants you to sit?

    Why put that extra screw in the chandelier over the pews??
    Why not just trust God to keep it from falling on people?
     
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    Once again you prove that you do not know how to interpret Scripture.

    You LITERALLY just dismiss one passage and embrace the one that suits you.
     
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  8. TCassidy

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    It never ceases to amaze me how often you make statements which show you have little or no real understanding of the bible.

    In Matthew 26:52 when Jesus told Peter to put his sword away for "those who live by the sword will die by the sword" He was not commanding "Christian disarmament." It is Jesus telling Peter that vigilantism is wrong. No matter how unjust the arrest of Jesus may have been Peter did not have the right to take the law into his own hands.

    If someone hurts a family member I do not have the right to hunt them down and kill them. I am to trust in the law of the land to right the wrong.

    To try to say that verse makes what Jesus said in Luke 22:36 a lie is simply ungodly, not to mention unchristian.
     
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    You agree that Jesus was a liar? How utterly sad!
     
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    You have peace about calling Christ a liar? Wow!
     
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    That is not what was said. Good grief.
     
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    Yea, it is.

    Crabtown said that Jesus saying "those who live by the sword shall die by the sword" negated what Jesus said when he said, "sell your garments and buy swords."

    Crabtown implied that Jesus was calling himself a liar.

    And then AiC agreed with what Crabtown said.
     
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    I almost never agree with crabby,and I do not agree with him on this issue. But because he interprets scripture differently than you do does not mean he implied what you said. To suggest that is just not intellectually honest. We can agree that he got it wrong, but it is mean spirited and over the top to accuse him of calling Jesus a liar. I do not believe that is what he did nor do I believe that is in his character to do.
     
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    It does not matter what you believe. Facts are facts totally apart from what you believe.

    You may want to say that you don't think that is what he MEANT, but it IS what his words, as he wrote them, IMPLIED- period.


    Crabtown is known for saying things that he has not thought through that lead to necessary conclusions which he had not considered.

    His hermeneutics are terribly lacking and the proof of that once again is seen in that he thinks that passage can be used to ban guns.
     
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    I believe it is actually Jesus who died and gave us the right to be part of His church. If you look to others who have died you are in the wrong church.
     
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    apples and oranges
     
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    No it isn't, besides I wasn't talking to you.
     
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    The implication is in your mind only. Rather delusional.
     
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    This is not surprising from a man who spits upon our founding fathers because most of them were Calvinists; he now spits on thousands of soldiers who have defended our right to worship the way we please and go to whatever church we want.

    Not surprising.
     
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    The Lord died on the Cross for our eternal salvation.
    GI's died for our earthly freedom

    Didn't realize this was a private conversation, or is simply you don't agree with me.

    SAG38, is it okay if I get in the conversation?
     
    #100 Salty, Apr 10, 2013
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