Condemned in the Flesh

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    Romans 8:
    3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[ In contexts like this, the Greek word for flesh (sarx) refers to the sinful state of human beings, often presented as a power in opposition to the Spirit; also in verses 4-13.] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[ Or flesh, for sin] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

    Romans 5:
    Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
    12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
    13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.
    15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
    18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
    20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


    Through Jesus does all men have hope now. Did God fix what Adam did, through Jesus and the cross so the inner man of all men can be reached with the Gospel the words of life?
     
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    Death

    We all say that all men are cursed by Adam and I agree?

    Jesus after Adam defeated sin and crushed the head of the serpent and so condemned sin in the flesh.

    We say Adam effected all men, but Jesus can't?

    Now that sin is condemned in the flesh after Jesus is lifted up can draw all men to Himself, reach right down to the inner man and place before them life and death, so chose Jesus and have life eternal.

    We then can either continue to follow the flesh that leads to death or follow the Spirit the words about and the words of Jesus that leads to life eternal. Men do not have the words of eternal life Jesus does and He has made us the messenger of them.

    John 6:68
    Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
     
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    What is your point and what is this inner man stuff you speak of?
     
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    What is the inner being or inner man according to scipture?

    Isn't it the soul?

    Did not Jesus condemn sin in the flesh to counter act what Adam did so the inner man can repond to the message of life the words of Jesus. Believe to have life eternal or not and be condemned?

    Did not Jesus provide a way for us to be able to response and made us the messager of it?
     
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    I was just trying to figure out how you were using inner man. So to your question;
    " Through Jesus does all men have hope now. Did God fix what Adam did, through Jesus and the cross so the inner man of all men can be reached with the Gospel the words of life?"
    I would say that the "fix" as you call it, only applies to those who respond.
     
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    If they walk away it is still a response to the Gospel which say's believe in Jesus and be saved or not and continue to condemnation.

    The word that Jesus sent His Disciple's out with in Mark 16:16
     
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    Ok, but what is the point?
     
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    Question

    Point, it is just a simple question?

    What Adam did effected all mankind, so when Jesus condemned sin to the flesh it didn't?

    I am not saying all men is saved because of it, but because of it they can respond to the Gospel.

    Romans 8:
    3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[ In contexts like this, the Greek word for flesh (sarx) refers to the sinful state of human beings, often presented as a power in opposition to the Spirit; also in verses 4-13.] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[ Or flesh, for sin] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

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    Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
    12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
    13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.
    15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
    18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
    20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
     
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    If they hear they can respond.
    Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
     
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    After Jesus is lifted up He will draw all men to Himself isn't it justification and life for all people who believe. It isn't for people that just hear but to those who listen and learn right?
     
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    Justification is for those who hear and respond (come to faith). The drawing all men to Himself is not every man. It is in regards to mankind and it not just the Jew, but all men, or it could be said Jew and gentile alike, all men.
     
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    All means no one has an excuse not to come, if they don't come they have no excuse the message is for all men.

    Men try to have all kind of ecuses don't they I got to bury my father,I am not good enough let me change my life first, I might not be an elect, God does not love. I say just come and Jesus will no wise cast you out
     
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    I still do not get your point.
     
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    We all know Adam's failure, praise God for Jesus victory all men benefit from it just as Adam. One leads to victory through Jesus the other to death through Adam.

    Does not the scripture to the OP show this?
     
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    While all are in Adam, not all are in Christ so no all do not benefit.

    How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

    If they don't hear and believe they do not benefit and many have not heard over the centuries.
     
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    Excuse

    The biggest excuse I hear for men don't come is they can't because of Adam, Jesus has to do something in them first.

    Through those scripture that He already has by condemning the sin in the flesh.

    In so when they hear the Gospel they can respond.

    Jesus word is Spirit and life so it can reach right to the very soul and give it a way out to believe in Jesus and live or they can continue to death through Adam and not believe.

    That because of Jesus they can respond either way not just to be inclined to believe.

    That they can be acquited by saying I believe or condemned my saying I don't.

    Through Jesus and His word they actuallty do have two roads, but they don't until after Jesus is lifted up, exalted.

    That it is true they can't come until the Father draws Him, but the only one's who come by the words of Jesus is those who listen and learn and it is them that He draws through the words of Jesus which is the words of the Father.

    Still they can't come until they not only listen, but listen and learn.

    Since Jesus word are the words of Spirit and life they can't listen and learn without them and so they can't come without them.

    All authority has been given Jesus and Him and the Father is one, He has made us the messenger of His word.
     
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    I still don't get your point. You seem to be trying to argue something and not explain what it is. If you are saying that we can be saved without being enlightened you are simply wrong.
     
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    You can't be enlighted until you not only listen to the words of Jesus but listen and learn from Jesus and He made us the messenger of His word the words of Spirit and life
     
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    I still don't get your point. How much do we have to learn?
     
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    What happened in Adam did happen to all men without exception.

    What happens In Christ does not happen to all men without exception.

    When God says he will draw all men to Him, it is not all men without exception...it is all types of men,not the jew only.

    Romans 8 says;
    1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    Romans 8 is only speaking to those in Christ ,to whom there is no condemnation.......those who are still in Adam are still condemned as we speak. Unless and until God translates them into the Kingdom of His Son,they remain dead in Adam.
     

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