Conservative Baptist Association

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  1. av1611jim

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    Can anybody help me out here?
    I am looking for any and all information I can get about this stem of the baptists in this country. (USA)
    We were attending an SBC but it is run, (literally) by the women so we left and found this church. The pastor seems to have 'lost' his copies of their statement of faith, constitution, etc, so I am investigating other sources, to find out if this denom is even close to the IFB standards I am comfortable with.
    Any help is appreciated. Thanks
    Jim
     
  2. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Why not just go to a good IFB church?
     
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    Most pastors in the SBC will tell if it were not for the women not much would get done. That was one of the beefs I had with the SBC too.
     
  4. av1611jim

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    c4k;
    An IFB does not exist within 400 miles from here, that's why.
    Now, as to my question.
    any answers out there?
    Jim
     
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    Wow - that saddens me.

    Have you checked out their website?

    http://www.cbamerica.org/

    I have been out of the states for several years now, so can't really help you. It does not appear that they are KJV since the SOF talks about the "original autographs." I assume, perhaps falsly, from your screen name that that would be an important issue for you.
     
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    As Lottie Moon said when accused of preaching while in China, "I'll stop preaching as soon as one of you men come over to China" (my paraphrase) but I think you get the point.
     
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  9. av1611jim

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    I have two choices here.
    EXTREMELY liberal SBC, or the CBA I mentioned. Yes I've been to their website. Very vague.
    I was hoping for anyone with first hand experience
    or maybe a little history lesson.
    Thanks
    Jim
    PS, yes the Bible doctrine is an issue with me.
     
  10. Greg Linscott

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    You want history? [​IMG]

    Here is a link to the history of Baptist World Mission, whose historical roots can be traced tothe CBA:
    http://www.baptistworldmission.org/history01.html


    Here is a link to an audio message and PDF notes entitled "Fundamentalism and the Conservative Baptist Association." It was presented at Maranatha Baptist Bible College's 2003 conference on Baptist Fundamentalism:

    http://www.mbbc.edu/Welcome/StudentLife/Messages/2003CBF.html
    PDF file: http://www.mbbc.edu/Welcome/StudentLife/Messages/2003FC/2003FC-5.pdf

    Here is a link to the history of the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship, which has historical roots in the CBA...

    http://www.fbfi.org/main.asp?id=4

    Another article you might find helpful here (from the Christian History Institute):
    http://www.gospelcom.net/chi/DAILYF/2001/05/daily-05-17-2001.shtml

    ...and here:
    http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Conservative%20Baptist%20Association%20of%20America

    PS: What was life like before Google? [​IMG]
     
  11. Debby in Philly

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    I think you would find a CBA church comfortable. We recently joined up with them after leaving the ABC over the homosexuality and abortion issues. They officially frown upon women as pastors, and most use an all-male elder board. We had supported some of their missionaries even before we were members.

    However, as part of the Baptist distinctives, individual churches may vary, as does ours, on fine points. We have no elder board, but both male and female deacons.

    The local CBA group, MACBA (Mid-Atlantic CBA), was very helpful to us when, right after we joined, we found ourselves needing an interim pastor. He and they helped our church through some difficult times.

    As to the history lesson, the folks on this BB pointed out to me that the CBA began in the late 40's as a group that seperated from the Northern American Baptists, what is now the ABC, whom they thought to be too liberal at the time.

    Give them a try.
     
  12. Squire Robertsson

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    The organization's name was the Northern Baptist Convention. I suppose in contrast to the SBC. But back then the NBC and the SBC had a gentleman's agreement on where each convention would send home missionaries to plant churches.
     
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    Thank you all!
    This is what I was looking for.
    In His Service;
    Jim
     
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    One thing to remember is that CBA (CBAmerica) is still the Conservative Baptist Association, that is- it is not a denomination, but an association of autonomous churches.True, we must subscribe and live within the parameters of the CBA, but you will find diferences in methods and practices within the association.
     
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    Simple history. In 1907 the Northern Baptists formally organized a strong national association and mission outreach.

    But modernism in the Convention was strong and the fundamentalists could not overcome it. They formed the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship of pastors to organize and try to force a conservative agenda. Didn't work.

    In the 1930's a group of ABC churches left and formed a loose association called the GARBC (General Assoc of Regular Baptist Churches) and promoted separate (not related to convention) missions like Assoc of Baptists for World Evangelism and Baptist Mid-Missions

    In the 1940's a much larger group of ABC churches, unhappy with modernism esp on the mission field, formed the CBFMS (Conservative Baptist Foreign Mission Society). Finally, after the war, many of these churches formed the CBAofA as a nationwide association.

    Sadly, the seeds of destruction were already present and many of the problems of New Evangelicalism took over the CBA.

    My church withdrew from the CBA in the 60's, as did my college (Pillsbury BBC) and our whole state fellowship.

    I would say most of us northern ifb'ers came out of the old ABC and its child the CBAofA. The others are southern carpetbaggers who have come north from a different heritage.
     
  16. Squire Robertsson

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    My bold but amen to that Dr. Bob. To the best of my recollection, we Northerners weren't as numbers orientated as the carpetbaggers. Not that we didn't like to have big churches, but we did talk about how many we had in Sunday School.
     
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    A brief history of the CBA

    Founded in 1947 as the Conservative Baptist Association of America, CBAmerica has historically been know as a movement of evangelical Baptists with a zealous commitment for evangelism, the word of God, and missionary expansion through church planting both at home and abroad. CBA came into being just four years after the founding of CBInternational (the mission sending agency of CB churches) and three years prior to Mission To The America's (the urban, ethnic, and campus ministry founded in 1950).
    Rather than become "another denomination" CBA chose to equip churches and facilitate missions through the above cooperating organizations and regional networks of churches. We have partnered with other evangelical ministries such as Youth for Christ, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, and others with a commitment to fulfilling the Great Commission at home and around the world.
    In the 1950's and through the early 70's CBA was a church-planting dynamo with hundreds of new churches planted across America. The focus of CBAmerica in the 80's continued church planting and added a significant emphasis on training congregations in evangelism, discipleship and member care.
    We have impacted the military, hospitals, and other social agencies with a significant chaplaincy program that continues to grow while changing the lives of those who find Christ through a bold proclamation of God's word.
    CBAmerica exists today as a network of churches and ministries, vitally connected to national and regional leadership, committed to fulfilling the Great Commandment and the Great Commission by living Christ Before America.
    With Brian McClaren of Reinventing Your Church, we realize that the post-modern culture we live in needs a new church-and we believe this "NextChurch" must be one with Great Commandment passion and a Great Commission focus.
    While each individual CBAmerica church is autonomous we choose to function interdependently because we believe we can do more together than we can alone in building Christ's kingdom here on earth.
    "O God how we long to be, a network of people and churches being radically transformed by the Holy Spirit in passionate love for God, driven by Christ's focus on the lost."
    We are a network of 1200 plus unique churches in cities, rural settings,"burbs", and small towns all across America. But we are all committed to knowing God and winning his lost ones in every way we can. Through our national and regional offices we offer assistance in church planting, revitalization, leadership multiplication, a focus on next generation ministries, and a strategy to assist churches in building stronger spiritual foundations.

    Declaration of Faith

    The Word of God – We believe the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the inspired Word of God, inerrant in the original writings, complete as the revelation of God's will for salvation, and the supreme and final authority in all matters to which they speak.
    The Trinity – We believe in one God, Creator and Sustainer of all things, eternally divine existing in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit; we believe that these are equal in every distinct perfection and they execute distinct but harmonious offices in the work of creation, providence, and redemption.
    God the Father – We believe in God the Father: an infinite, personal Spirit, perfect in holiness, wisdom, power, and love. We believe that He concerns Himself mercifully in the affairs of humanity, that He hears and answers prayer, and that He saves from sin and death all who come to Him through Jesus Christ.
    Jesus Christ – We believe that Jesus Christ is God's eternal Son, who has precisely the same nature, attributes, and perfections as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. We believe further that He is not only true God, but true man, conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. We also believe in His sinless life, His substitutionary atonement, His bodily resurrection from the dead, His ascension into heaven, His priestly intercession on behalf of His people, and His personal, visible, premillennial return from heaven.
    Holy Spirit – We believe in the Holy Spirit, His personality and His work in regeneration, sanctification, and preservation. His ministry is to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ, to implement Christ's work of redeeming the lost, and to empower the believer for godly living and service.
    Man – We believe God originally created persons, male and female, in the image of God and free from sin. We further believe all people are sinners by nature and choice and are spiritually dead. We also believe that those who repent of sin and trust Jesus Christ as Savior are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.
    Salvation – We believe in salvation by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. We further believe that this salvation is based upon the sovereign grace of God, was purchased by Jesus Christ on the cross, and is received by faith, apart from any human merit, works, or ritual. We further believe salvation results in righteous living, good works, and proper social concern.
    The Church – We believe that the Church is the spiritual body of which Christ is the head. We believe that the true Church is composed of all persons who have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. We believe that this body expresses itself in local assemblies whose members have been immersed upon a credible confession of faith and have associated themselves for worship, for instruction, for evangelism, and for service. We believe the ordinances of the local church are believer's baptism by immersion and the Lord's Supper. We also believe in the interdependence of local churches and the mutual submission of believers to each other in love.
    Separation of Church and State – We believe that each local church is self-governing in function and must be free from interference by any ecclesiastical or political authority. We further believe that every human being is directly responsible to God in matters of faith and life and that each one should be free to worship God according to the dictates of conscience.
    Christian Conduct – We believe that the supreme task of believers is to glorify God in their life and that their conduct should be blameless before the world. We further believe that they should be faithful stewards of their possessions and that they should seek to realize for themselves the full stature of maturity in Christ.
    The Last Things – We believe in the bodily resurrection of the saved and lost, the eternal existence of all people either in heaven or hell, in divine judgment, rewards, and punishments.
    From the CBA website
     
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    AV1611Jim,

    CBTS (Craig) gives you a very good description. Like all of us Baptists, the quality of the local church does depend alot upon the local leadership.

    Wayne
     
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    And could someone do me a favor and ask my northern brethern to refrain from the usage of the term "carpet bagger"?
    I realize that some northern baptists may still hate us southerners. But, I am a weaker brother who actually knows what the words mean.

    I pray that I have successfully remained civil.

    In Christ,

    Wayne
     
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    And yes, we do know that "carpetbagger" is a pejorative word and why. And no, we are not 'waving the bloody flag of rebellion', in our usage of it.

    We do take umbrage with men who followed the Great Migration North in the 30s-60s and established themselves as The Authentic Voice of Fundamental Baptists.

    The CBA and its follow-on the FBF are native to the North.
     

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