Convicted Israeli Spy, Jonathan Pollard

Discussion in 'Politics' started by LadyEagle, Oct 31, 2005.

  1. LadyEagle

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    Am posting this in order NOT to hijack the thread in news/current events forum.

    There are two sides to every story, usually. Here's their's:

    http://www.jonathanpollard.org/facts.htm

    There are a whole lot more listed on the above link.

    [ October 31, 2005, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]
     
  2. KenH

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    So, LE, are taking the side of a convicted spy of your country? Or are you just posting the above for discussion purposes only?

    By the way, your title should read "Convicted Israeli spy".
     
  3. LadyEagle

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    Discussion purposes only. Don't know enough about this to have an opinion.

    Feel free to forge ahead.

    Duly noted and changed.
     
  4. KenH

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    Well, as I said in the other thread, any person who spied against my country should rot in prison, at a minimum.
     
  5. LadyEagle

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    What if Israel was legally entitled to this information because of a formal agreement signed between the US and Israel?
     
  6. Enoch

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    Thank you! [​IMG]
     
  7. Enoch

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    Crime Library

    Interesting reading, be sure to click on the chapters on the right hand side.
     
  8. KenH

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    Doesn't matter. I don't want anyone spying on my country. Let him rot in prison.
     
  9. freedom's cause

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    thank you enoch for the good research let's
    get pollard out of prison and back in Israel
     
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  11. Phillip

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    It does NOT matter. As an employee of the United States Army with a security clearance; I do NOT have the right to make a determination as to whether or not the classified, secret or restricted material that I may handle should or should not be released.

    It is against federal law to do so, and if I do release it, I am bound by the law. I cannot make that judgement and neither can he.
     
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    Excellent Brother Phillip.
     
  13. Phillip

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    Doesn't matter, Pollard is bound not only by the oath he took when entering government service, but also by the non-disclosure agreement that he had to sign before handling confidential or secret information. (Not to mention Federal Law prohibiting the release of such information.)

    There is no way that a single person can make a decision as to whether or not information they handle can cause damage to the security of the United States.

    Let alone a foreign country--even a friendly one at that--this information cannot be given to ANYONE, including your own spouse.
     
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    What did the plea agreement say the US government would do?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  15. go2church

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    Is it ok for the US to spy on other countries?

    Or rather then putting them in jail, should we revoke his citizenship and then turn them over to the country that he was spying for; here Israel, you wanted him so bad you can have him.
     
  16. LadyEagle

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    We probably have a lot of spies here in the US. Wouldn't surprise me if some even have security clearance.
     
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    I say turn him over to Israel. He did break the law, but I see no reason in paying thousands of dollars to finance his jail cell until he dies. Besides, Israel is an ally, not some radical dictatorship bent on our destruction.
     
  18. Enoch

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    Clinton considered giving Pollard a pardon. Remember the “pardon party” Clinton gave on his way out the door. As for the plea agreement I’m not exactly sure of its contents but apparently it was revoked after he pleaded guilty as you already know.

    This is a very interesting story and I would not be surprised if someday it’s made into a movie. I also do not think we will ever know all the facts as with anything (and really it’s not in our countries best interest).

    According to our Constitution he did not commit treason. But he was guilty. He should have gone through the correct channels of command to share his concerns. It seemed his intentions were in the right place (meaning no direct ill will towards America) but a reminder that we cannot be driven by passion alone. During his polygraph his results did not reveal him as a mercenary. It seems the only reason he did not receive asylum at the Israeli Embassy was because the person in charge that day was not briefed on Pollard, otherwise he and his wife would have found refuge.
     
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    Current news on Pollard

    Link
     
  20. Phillip

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    LadyEagle, in order to be a spy, you would have to have access to confidential or secret information---the ONLY way you will have access to this information is to have a security clearance.

    It would be very difficult for an ordinary citizen without a clearance to provide any information to any country that is worth any money.
     

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