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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by righteousdude2, Oct 28, 2013.
Should the pastor, and or church, be in the ministry of creating Cookie-Cutter-Christians?
You willhave to elaborate.
If you mean by cookie cutter, a pattern of the Scripture, or God's plan for our life, yes we should be that. If however, you mean a collection of worthless man made rules that some lame brain made up 200 years ago at a Baptist convention, like no dancing or flipping boogers during the sermon, no thanks. This is also no requirement to gossip and stuff already fat guts at pot lucks.
Flipping bugger's....lol! Thats a new one for me. You are taking all the joy out of life.:smilewinkgrin:
What I mean is becoming like everyone else in the name of Jesus! Speaking like them, thinking like them, worshipping like them, praising God like them - versus - being an individual for Jesus, while still following Him!
One example is where a pastor dictates which version of the Bible EVERYONE must have. Shouldn't the version of the Bible an individual uses be the one that he/she can best relate to and glean the most from by way of instruction and understanding!
Granted, there are some poor versions out there, but, I've been to churches where everyone brought a KJV with them, were asked to hold it up, recite the Promise to the Bible, repeat the Apostles Prayer, etc. Men were all encouraged to wear dakr suits, and striped ties. Women worse dresses, no skirts, pants, etc. And dresses had to be so far under the knee. The women all had to have their hair in buns. To much like the Stepford wifes community for me!
Cookie cutter Christians versus individuals with the ability to bring to the table their unigue style of being who they are for Jesus!
I think I get what your saying, kind of like this chap
Ive seen the stepford wives phenomenon at various IFB churches Paul an honestly it creeps me out....so ok I understand. They would NOT have appreciated my radical approach. For me its, 'take me to the root cause....to the beginning' and I believe ive found it with the 'Primitives.' I was on the phone with my pastor friend down in Ole Kentucky and he is schooling me for over an hour....in Greek. To the intellectuals, put that in your pipe and smoke that.
Looks like it's time for an exorcism!
I wouldn't quite fit in with a group like that. But I do enjoy a "shouting church" where the congregation is encouraging the pastor and getting into the sermon.
As for "cookie cutter" Christians, no I don't think we should all be alike; robots that simply regurgitate our programming. We are supposed to question (for lack of a more appropriate word) everything we are taught to make sure it's true. We should also enjoy our worship, which means we won't necessarily be just like everyone else.
Ohhhhhhh, ho hohaha ahhhhh:thumbs:
No the pastor should make sure each member understands how special they are, just like everyone else. :saint:
Seriously, I think God is glorified when each member is exercising their gifts/talents for edification of the body, if it is teaching, praying, serving, singing, encouraging, whatever. So no we shouldn't be cookie cutter Christians in a sense, but there must be a common cause (Preaching Christ Crucified and God's glory) and unity in essentials.
No. Not all Bible translations are created equal.
Granted, there are some poor versions out there, but, I've been to churches where everyone brought a KJV with them, were asked to..repeat the Apostles Prayer[/quote]
Wait, that's a bad thing now? I thought all churches did that.
Oy gevalt! This is bad now, too?
I thought we were supposed to die to self, that we were supposed to submit to Christ. You know, He must increase, I must decrease? That sort of thing?
Not if they believe all the Bible, which includes ...
Philippians 2, NASB
12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; ... which Paul wrote as a means of communicating the free grace of God and its application to each individual according to his/her need.
Thin taht many times the pastors/elders/teacher, sometimes without being aware of it, train up the christians to be their disciples, molded into their images, NOT that of Christ!
I think this post gets to the heart of it. We are to be like Christ and emulate him. Too often (saw this first hand at Bible college) men try to emulate the person they are learning from, so much that they even pick up on mannerisms while preaching. Yes, we can have the "Follow me as I follow Christ" mentality; but only as long as we aren't trying to actually be that person, just learning from them and following their leadership.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is......"
".........there IS liberty."(2 Cor.3:17b)...and previous to that (speaking of the law)(in verse 6b)..."for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."
jesus said the Pharisees were gtreat at making disciples after their own image, but NOT ones God wanted!
How many times have we seen a young pastor/teacher acting/talking/walking just like His own father or som eother mentor, or else have living statdards exactly same as other party has!
We are cookie cutter Christians in the sense that we all have the same Holy Spirit guiding us. Given that, God made each of us unique, and we each have different weaknesses and strengths. It is a perfect system, and there is no conflict between the unity of the Holy Spirit and the uniqueness of man.
God the Father does indeed have a "cookie cutter mold" premade for ALL of us, its called the image of Christ!
Hey Mr. KIMBLE
Paul stated very emphatically he wanted folks that were just like him.
I have yet to visit any church that the preacher or anyone else were just like Paul.
Part of the problem in the modern church is everyone thinks they are at Burger King. They want the meat served their way.
Cookie cutter is NOT all bad - or we wouldn't strive to be like Christ.