This quote is from Frank Zindler, an atheist. (Frank Zindler, American atheist, in a debate with William Craig, Atheism vs Christianity video, Zondervan, 1996.) I keep looking at all the people who the evolutionists here quote: Richard Dawkins, Isaac Asimov, Stephen J Gould, Carl Sagan - besides a desparate faith in evolution, they all had one other very important commonality. They were all staunch atheists. Yet it is these atheists philosophical ideas that pervade the idea that "God could have used evolution to create". Psa 14:1 [[To the chief Musician, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good. And again: Psa 53:1 [[To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good. Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction. So we can see that to disbelieve there is a God is to eschew knowledge and wisdom. In fact, the Bible says that it is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge. This is not some advancement in knowledge that comes later - it is the beginning - the most basic component of understanding. Pro 3:19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens. To understand our origins, you must believe there is a God. This is the minimum requirement to understanding our universe. Therefore, we can see the the Bible calls atheists fools who have no understanding of how our world was established. Yet, it is these atheists whom the evolutionists here champion as the great minds of science who's theories regarding the origins of all life must be more correct than scripture. You folks need better role models, if you ask me. But lets pretend for a moment that the fact that all atheists believe evolution is an irrelevant fact in our discussion of "Did God use evolution to create". Surely we can believe in God and evolution, right? Sure we can - if we change the definition of god. If we say that god is whatever we make him to be, we can attribute anything to god. Our god could be anything that we decide he should be. We can believe in god and evolution only if god is not the same God described in the Bible. If we, for example, assume that God could use death, struggle, disease, etc and call that "very good", then we can believe in god and evolution. The question is not "could god have used evolution", but rather "What did God actually do". Luther dealt with the same kind of heretical doctrine in his day. Luther said: As several heretics and other vulgar persons allege, that God created everything in the beginning, and then let nature take its own independent course, so that all things now spring into being of their own power; thereby they put God on a level with a shoemaker (gup: or perhaps watchmaker) or a tailor. This not only contradicts scripture, but it runs counter to experience. Luther also dealt with people who swung the other way - people who thought that God was all powerful and therefore He must have created everything in the universe on the same day ... in the blink of an eye. He argued that while both theistic evolution and instantaneous creation were possible (after all God can do anything, right?), they aren't what He said that He did. Luther thought we might be best served to believe the Creator at His word. Really, Luther was trying to stand up for Biblical authority and accuracy - the same movement we see happening today in creationism. Luther said: When Moses writes that God created heaven and earth and whatever is in them in six days, then let this period continue to have been six days, and do not venture to devise any comment according to which six days were one day. But, if you cannot understand how this could have been done in six days, then grant the Holy Spirit the honor of being more learned than you are. That's a great way to put it - grant the Holy Spirit the honor of being more learned than you are. If you can't wrap your logic and reason around the six days of creation, then take them by faith because that's what the Bible proclaims. And as we have seen, believing God when He speaks is the beginning of wisdom. Dr. Don Batten of AiG puts it this way: Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: God's role was not invisible. He did not create passively, but He created actively in precisely the EXACT way specified in Genesis 1. Moreover God does not use evil to bring about good. He does not lie, and He does not make mistakes. By the way - remember how the Bible said that those who do not believe in God are fools who are corrupt, abominable, and do no good? Well the New Testament agrees with them - 2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. 2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. These verses have a direct relationship with Proverbs calling those who do not believe (faith/fear) in God fools who are without wisdom, knowledge, and understanding - who have been given over to a reprobate mind. Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.