Could Psych-drugs contribute to violent behavior?

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  1. James_Newman

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    I must admit that I expected to find out that the shooter was on antidepressants. I'm sure we'll hear more about it, but this caught my eye.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55242
     
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    15 Million of us take anti-depressants who have NOT
    shot up any group of anybody.

    So beware, every post you post about somebody wierd
    taking anti-depressants I'll be posting 15 million posts
    for the good side :wavey:

    Phi 4:6-7 (KJV1611 Edition):
    Bee carefull for nothing: but in euery thing
    by prayer and supplication with thankesgiuing,
    let your request be made knowen vnto God.
    7 And the peace of God which passeth
    all vnderstanding, shall keepe your hearts & minds
    through Christ Iesus.


     
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    You may be on to something, Ed. Maybe there are so many people on the stuff, its hard to find a shooter that isn't?
     
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    If the shooter is on drugs, he chose to take them. No one crammed them down his throat. There is NO fault here but the individual, not the drugs, not the gun control laws, not the government, not the school administration.

    No doubt some people need these drugs, but the faith in the Lord is the greatest anti depressant for everyday life.
     
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    I certainly don't intend to shift blame. But the bible does acknowledge that things like alcohol affect a persons behavior. Unless drunk driving fatalities are not related to alcohol. Now that I think about it, for every drunk that kills someone, thousands drive home safely every night...
     
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    And the reason the 1000's got home safely is because they chose to not drink and drive safely, called individual responsibility.

    So, lets sue or arrest the bar tender that served the guy who drove home drunk, sue to tobacco because one has lung cancer, and sue McDonalds because idiots cannot comprehend that coffee is hot. :BangHead:
     
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    How come taking a serotonin reuptake inhibiter
    for the rest of your life is unkristian but taking 6 Tums
    a day for the rest of your life is about par for the course?

    Your stomach is just as physical as your brain;
    your brain is just as spiritual as your stomach.
     
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    Actually, I dont think it is unChristian to take anything a person NEEDS. That has nothing to do with the fact that, either before or after one takes whatever, they are responsible for their actions.
     
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    Whoa there, pardner, did you just question my wife's salvation? Who said taking psych-dope was unchristian? I know plenty of Christians on this very board who are in bondage to the pharmaceutical corps. You ought to take that back. As for Tums, that stuff is of the devil. When you eat garbage, you ought to reap what you sow.
     
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    I'm talking about the thousands of drunks who drive home with out killing anyone. I used to drive drunk, and I never killed anyone. So surely there is nothing wrong with it.
     
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    I agree :thumbs:
     
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    Jame_Newman: //Whoa there, pardner, did you just question my wife's salvation? //

    No. You were the first to mention your wife.

    Want to talke about being one deacon and having two wives?
     
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    Jame_Newman: //Whoa there, pardner, did you just
    question my wife's salvation? //

    No. You were the first to mention your wife.

    James_Newman: //I know plenty of Christians on this very board who are in bondage to the pharmaceutical corps. .... As for Tums, that stuff is of the devil.//

    Matthew 23:15 (KJV1611 Edition):
    Woe vnto you Scribes and Pharises, hypocrites;
    for yee compasse Sea and land to make one Proselyte,
    and when hee is made, yee make him two fold
    more the childe of hell then your selues.
     
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    As long as you aren't trying to say that someone who is addicted to psych-meds can't be saved, then I guess I forgive you. I love my wife and I know she is saved and loves the Lord, but sometimes I worry that those meds are doing more harm than she realizes.
     
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    You silly, silly man! Don't you know it wasn't your fault? It was the fault of the alcohol, the person who sold it to you, the auto manufacturer, the traffic engineers, and Charlton Heston.

    Seriously, though, I think there are those who have a physical problem and need anti-depressants.

    However, how many are tested for it vs how many are simply prescribed? I'm sure that if the doctor prescribes it enough, he's going to get the ones who truly need it sometimes, and others won't be adversely affected.

    But, what is the reaction in someone who takes them and doesn't need them? Is it always consistent?

    Another thought: Reading about how "disturbed" they were by his creative writing, is it possible that he was demonized and the prescription was anti-depressants?
     
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    There seems to be a pattern here...

     
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    Rufus_1611: //There seems to be a pattern here ... //

    logic error = false (pattern) recognition


    According to TIME ALMANAC 2000, page 873:

    11,630 murders happened in the USofA in 1997.

    5% of 11,630 murders is 582

    If there are more than 582 murders in 1997
    'due to antidepressants' - then same-same,
    takers of antidepressants are just as likely to
    be murders as the general population.

    If there are more than 582 murders in 1997
    on antidepressants - then using antidepressants
    might be a factor, the more above 582, the more
    likely there is a correspondance.

    needless to say, if there are less than 582
    antidepressant using murders in 1997 -
    then antidepressants help keep people from
    murdering. The more murders less than
    582, the more likely antidepressants REDUCE
    murders.

    Needless to say, nine examples prove exactly
    NOTHING.

    Having been severaly depressed in my lifetime
    I know at times I had problems making
    trivial decisions like which sock to put on first.
    How could I have decided to blow somebody away?
     
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    Bad english department :)

    http://www.cchr.org/index.cfm/7257

    Consider the part:
    It look like it modifies 'psychiatric abuses'
    but upon study it speaks of the type action
    taken.

    I know I've been psychiatrically abused by
    group demonstrations & public marches ;)
     
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    If these drugs cause people to be violent, the explain why there are so many on them who are not violent. And why so many who are violent are not on these drugs.
     
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    These drugs do not work that way.

    I think it is tricyclics that have been shown to increase the rate of suicide when first prescribed, but this could be a spurious association. It wouldn't be surprising if there was no real association at all.
     
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