Featured Covenant Theology

Leave it at there may or there may not be a covenant (as defined by the reformed) but the Bible does not speak of such a covenant.

To insist that by logic there must be a covenant is to say that your opinion and/or your powers of logic are the benificiary of information not found in the Bible.

 

It is difficult for those who claim that the Bible is their sole authority for their faith to also say that there is a Covenant of Redemption between the Father and the Son when the fact of the matter is there is no mention of that covenant in the Bible.

Your frustration is not with me or any other posters who are not rushing to defend your views, your frustration is with the Biblical evidence or lack of same.

By the way, covenant theologians go to great pains in their books that defend their views to define the various kinds of covenants. But when they get down to business and start talking about their covenants of works, grace and redemption, the trend is to ignore their definitions and use, as you do deductive logic to say there MUST be our covenants. Or they turn every Biblical promise into an all encompasing covenant that completly destroys the terms and conditions of the actual Biblical covenants, which contain a lot of details that the reformed have no use for.

 

maybe it because baptists say the bible is the SOLE Authority for all doctrines/practices, while Reformed would state that it is the primary one?

 

Maybe. But how do you explain Reformed Baptists (a contradiction if there ever was)?

 

fellow bethren in the lord!

Presbys that got it right!

 

There's not much to debating when all minds are already made up.

 

Of whom do ye speaketh?

 

maybe because the Lord is silent on that issue, the scriptures do NOT direct refer to it?

 

Do you have a clear biblical reference to either the Covenant of Works, or One between the Godhead?

 

We do know that Christ was foreknown as our Savior before the foundation of the world, according to Peter. The book of Hebrews tells us His work was finished before the foundation of the world. Ephesians tells us we were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. My conclusion is that the Triune God planned for a Savior before creation, but the details of how that came about are not revealed. One could presume a covenant was made, but one could also assume that God is three in one and always agrees perfectly.

 

Very well said.

 

I believe you're correct in your assessment.

For example, if we have to provide prooftexts for certain theological constructs, a debate has ended before it even gets started.

But if we can agree on biblical themes/motifs, which we then label as covenant of works and so on, then we may agree to disagree here and there.

 

I hold to what interpreters and theologians call divine accommodation, as it applies to revelation, a concept which goes back to Calvin. With that in mind, covenantal concept is all over the ancient Near East and we see the same throughout the Pentateuch, to begin with.

 

What we see in the pentateuch and the prophets are detailed and specific covenants. What the reformed offer is a covenant concept that tries to offer a biblical interpretation and justification to their pre-suppositions.

I do not believe that anyone untrained in covenant theology could start an intense study of the Bible and after a time come up with what is now called reformed covenant theology in all it's fascinating details. The concept does not really appear in any recongnizable form prior to the second generation reformers.