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Created in Christ by regeneration not by baptism - Eph. 2:10

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by The Biblicist, Nov 3, 2016.

  1. The Biblicist

    The Biblicist Well-Known Member
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    1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
    2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
    3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
    4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
    6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
    7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


    Paul explicitly states we are "in Christ" by a creative act. In context that creative act is quickening. Quickening IS being brought into spiritual union with Christ - it means "made alive." This is easy to see if you simply follow Paul's argument in reverse from verse 10.

    1. "For" we are his workmanship is stated in contrast to verses 8-9 "and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast "For".

    2. "For" by grace are ye saved through faith" is explanatory of verses 5-7. Note the same language ("by grace are ye saved") is first stated in verse 5 as explanatory of being "quickened" that is the means of bringing us into spiritual union "with Christ" (v. 8).

    3. Verses 4-5 are contrasted to verses 2-3. Verses 2-3 explain the pre-quickened condition of the Ephesians that is first introduced by the words "who were dead in tresspasses and sins" in verse 1, whereas verses 4-5 continue the quickened description began in verse 1.

    4. The term "quickened" means MADE ALIVE and is placed in direct contrast with being SPIRITUALLY DEAD meaning SPIRITUALLY SEPARATED FROM GOD who is life, light, love, and holiness.

    CONCLUSION
    : Ephesians 2:1-10 is a contrast between the previous state of SPIRITUAL SEPARATION and the QUICKENED STATE or state of SPIRITUAL UNION WITH CHRIST. Ephesians 2:5,8,10 define the act of quckening (restoration to spiritual union with Christ) as God's gracious creative act while denying it originates or is a product of works. There is no BAPTISM IN THE SPIRIT even mentioned here, as no baptism LITERALLY places anyone into spiritual union with Christ as that is the creative act of God called QUICKENING. Quickening IS spiritual union with Christ. Whereas, the baptism in the Spirit is time fixed as an ACTION and cannot place anyone into spiritual union with Christ at any time. The fact that it is quickening and not baptism completely repudiates the whole universal invisible church theory as it destroys the very means such a theory claims to bring that idea into existence.
     
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  2. JamesL

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    Re: #4

    When you say that spiritually dead means spiritually separated from God.....

    Do you mean that the two phrases are synonymous? Whereby spiritually dead might mean spiritually useless?

    Or do you see spiritually dead being a condition that leads to spiritual separation from God?
     
  3. The Biblicist

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    To be spiritually "dead" IS spiritual separation from God as God IS life. Adam died "in the day" he sinned and he did not die physically in that day or any other day until 930 years of age. He suffered spiritual separation from God the very moment in his heart he determined to sin.
     
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    Spiritual separation = Spiritually DEAD"
    Spiritual union = Spiritual LIFE = regeneration = "Created in Christ Jesus"

    The universal problem (spiritual death/separation) originates with the fall - "in Adam"
    The universal solution must also originate at the same time (Gen.3:15) or else all existing in spiritual death/separation are without the LIFE, LIGHT, LOVE and HOLINESS of God in life and in death and thus remain "in Adam" OUTSIDE of Christ, thus outside of God's eternal plan of redemption (Eph. 1:4; Rom. 8:28-32).

    The baptism in the Spirit originates with Pentecost not with the fall. The baptism in the Spirit is one of many facets of establishing the new covenant VISIBLE administration with a VISIBLE ministry and VISIBLE ordinances as God's modus operandi for confirming a VISIBLE public house of worship that worships "in one accord in one place".
     
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    Are you denying that we experience the same Baptism by HS that Paul wrote off, apart from even if we have been water baptized then?
     
  6. The Biblicist

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    I am saying that the baptism in the Spirit has NOTHING to do with placing a believer "in Christ" but you are put "in Christ" by regeneration not by any kind of baptism - period. Try reading the text and the exposition instead of acting like a parrot and repeating over and over the same disproven assertions.
     
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