Current moderate writers

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  1. Six-Principle Baptist

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    I am curious about some names of current Baptist theologians, preachers, etc., who write from a moderate perspective. Whom do you recommend?

    Thanks,

    Jimmy
     
  2. martyr

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    I'm not sure I know of any. What do you mean by moderate?
     
  3. bapterian

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    Try Tony Campolo. He's been labeled "moderate" by some groups, but sometimes he comes across as conservative. He may be labled "moderate" because of his position on some social issues.

    The terms "moderate" and "conservative" are subjective term depending on who you are talking to. However, I think I understand what your asking.
     
  4. Dr. Bob

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    Problem is with definition of "moderate".

    On the theological spectrum you have liberals on one end and conservatives on the other.

    Some conservatives may be fundamentalists, some only evangelical - but all to the "right" of center. Around the BB WE think we are the only ones right . . and we are! :eek: [​IMG] :eek:

    Some liberals may be moderate and some might be extreme - but all to the "left" of center. Around the BB they parade as being centrist, but that is simply not true. :D ;) :D

    So are you looking for someone is the CENTER?? Good luck! :rolleyes:
     
  5. Speedpass

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    From the Baptist Board , wouldn't Baptist Believer, KBABP, and David Cooke, Jr, be considered the "center" of our beloved spectrum?!?
     
  6. Jim1999

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    I have said before and repeat here. The only label worthy of note is the laundry label on our garments.

    Why are we so wrapped up in labels? In the old days, we had two labels; modernist and fundamentalist. We knew what they meant. One preached that Jesus was the only way to heaven, whilst the other taught that Jesus, a good man, pointed to the way of life.

    We have all differed on interpretation of certain scriptures and we have all applied the scriptures to different aspects of life in different ways.

    When I was teaching in a liberal school, I was labelled a fundamentalist by my liberal colleagues, and a liberal by my fundamentalist colleagues. So, what is a label? It was really meaningless and led everyone down a dead-end road.

    What do you think of Jesus? That is the question. Let us answer that question with absolute clarity and be done with the trappings.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  7. Daniel David

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    From the Baptist Board , wouldn't Baptist Believer, KBABP, and David Cooke, Jr, be considered the "center" of our beloved spectrum?!? </font>[/QUOTE]Not a chance. You just named three of the most obvious libs.
     
  8. Baptist Believer

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    From the Baptist Board , wouldn't Baptist Believer, KBABP, and David Cooke, Jr, be considered the "center" of our beloved spectrum?!? </font>[/QUOTE]Not a chance. You just named three of the most obvious libs. </font>[/QUOTE]Ah… yet another desperate untruth!

    In normal circumstances it might upset me, but I know you have almost no credibility here.
     
  9. Dr. Bob

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    Agree. Only Joshua is open about his extreme liberalism. The others masquerade as "moderates" or "middle of the road". Or they complain about "labels" (since they do not want to be forced to own up to their own liberal views of key doctrines, imho).

    Those who comment that we "shouldn't fight" over doctrine or issues have already made up their mind and sided with the left. 100% of the time.

    I am stumped over finding one who I would put in a truly "middle" position on the majority of issues. Anyone want to suggest some?

    And remember on a "grid", someone might be very conservative on issues of separation, dress, standards and be very liberal on some theological issues.

    What fun!!
     
  10. Baptist Believer

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    I can’t be “open” about my “extreme liberalism” since I am not a liberal.

    It is a false charge and I have said as much on several occasions.

    It seems that some may indeed find “Daniel David” credible! :eek: :rolleyes: :eek:

    The reason I complain about labels is that they are often misapplied. I’ve had quite a bit of experience being falsely maligned for the purpose of ecclesiastical politics. Labels are excuses for people to attack without reason and exclude without consideration.

    Let’s nip this falsehood in the bud right now… I can fully affirm these fundamentals:

    1. The Inspiration of the Bible
    A fundamental of our faith is that the Bible, all 66 books and all the words as originally written, were inspired of God as no other writings have ever been or ever will be inspired. This fundamental is foundational because all the other fundamentals have their basis in this one. This is what the Scripture says of itself: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” (2 Timothy 3:16). “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2 Peter 1:20-21).

    2. The Depravity of Man
    All people are born sinners. As such every person is a sinner by nature and a sinner by choice. Instead of seeking God and doing what is good and right, people by nature turn away from God and do that which is evil and wrong. This truth is taught throughout the Bible. Jeremiah 17:9 says, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

    3. Redemption Through Christ’s Blood
    Mankind can be reconciled to God through the redemption purchased by Christ when he bled and died on the cross. This is the teaching that Christ died a vicarious, blood-atoning death in fulfillment of the Old Testament offerings for sin. The Apostle Peter declares, “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot” (1 Peter 1:18-19).

    4. Only Believers Make Up the True Church
    Faith in Christ is the requirement to be part of God’s true church. As Baptists, we describe this fundamental as the distinctive of a regenerate church membership. This distinctive was practiced in the New Testament. Acts 2:47 describes the adding of people to the church, “… And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.”

    5. Christ will Return Bodily to Set Up His Kingdom
    The Bible teaches that the resurrected and glorified Christ will return personally and bodily to the earth to rule and reign as He promised. This promise is repeated many times in the Bible. When Christ ascended to heaven after His resurrection, the Scripture says, “And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven” (Acts 1:10-11).

    6. The One God is a Trinity
    There is only one true and living God, Who is expressed in the persons of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This trinity is declared in many places in the Bible. Notably, at Christ’s Baptism, God the Father’s voice was heard declaring Christ as His Son and the Holy Spirit descended upon Christ in the form of a dove (see Luke 3:22). The trinity is also recognized in the baptismal formula recorded in Matthew 28:19, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”

    7. The Fall of Adam
    God created Adam and Eve and placed them in the beauty and perfection of Eden. With the only restriction being the eating of the forbidden fruit, Adam rebelled against God and ate of the fruit. When he did, Adam and Eve immediately died spiritually and caused the curse of their sin to be passed to all their offspring. This was the cause of man’s sin nature and alienation from God. The fall is recorded in Genesis 3. Paul speaks of its consequences in Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”

    8. The Need of the New Birth
    A second birth of God’s Spirit from above is needed before a person can see or enter heaven. Christ said, “… Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). This new birth takes place when we turn to Christ by faith, ask Him to save our souls and enter our life (2 Corinthians 5:17, Romans 8:9).

    9. Full Deliverance from Guilt at Salvation
    When a person accepts Christ as Savior and is born again, all his or her guilt for sin is taken away. The redemption provided by Christ takes away the penalty and guilt of sin. Hebrews 10:12-14 declares, “But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.”

    10. The Assurance of Salvation
    A person can know he or she is saved, a child of God, and that heaven is their future home. 1 John 5:13 says, “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”

    11. The Centrality of Christ in the Bible
    Christ is the theme of the Bible. He is the subject of the prophecies of Messiah, the type prefigured in the sacrifices and worship, the Son of David to sit on his throne and the Deliverer like unto Moses in the Old Testament. The Old Testament presents Him in symbol, type and prophecy while the New Testament declares Him. Christ said, “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me” (John 5:39).

    12. The Walk after the Spirit
    The believer is to live in submission to the leading of God’s Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit enters the believer at the new birth and indwells him or her to give guidance, correction and comfort. Galatians 5:22-25 says, “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.”

    13. The Resurrection of Believers and Unbelievers
    All people, both believers and unbelievers, will be resurrected and stand before God in judgment. The believer will have his works judged as to rewards in heaven (1 Corinthians 3:11-15), and the unbeliever will be judged to determine the degree of his everlasting conscious torment in hell (Revelation 20:11-15). John 5:28-29 says, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

    14. The Ripening of the Present Age for Judgment
    Because of mankind’s rebellion against God, the present age is rapidly moving toward the second coming of Christ and judgment. This fundamental encompasses the teaching of prophecy regarding the end times and the conditions now present in the world. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 and 8 says, “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition … whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.”


    If this is “liberalism”, then may all who post here be “liberal”.

    Now can we stop the false accusations?
     
  11. Dr. Bob

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    If you look, brother, I was agreeing with YOU not with Daniel. :cool:

    I apologize for the wording that was lumping "them" (the ones who are liberal) with "Joshua" who I was commending about his open leftist position.

    Did not mean to imply that you were one of the "extreme liberals". [​IMG]
     
  12. Baptist Believer

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    Oops! [​IMG]

    I feel foolish.

    Ah... I understood it in the context that I was recommended as a centrist or "moderate" in reference to your earlier post. I thought you were saying that I was actually just pretending to be a moderate but was instead a closet "extreme liberal".

    Just a "moderate" one? [​IMG]

    These labels are doing no one any good... I like what Jim1999 said, let's get back to "modernist" and "fundamental(ist)".

    I'm certainly fundamental, but not a typical "fundamentalist". [​IMG]

    Thanks for the clarification Dr. Bob! :D
     
  13. Johnv

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    I have said before and repeat here. The only label worthy of note is the laundry label on our garments.

    Truer word were never spoken [​IMG]
     

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