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Dave Ramsey, Dan Miller & the self help gospel

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  1. mandym

    mandym New Member

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    Ramsey is a good one. Every Christian should follow their counsel.
     
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  2. quantumfaith

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    I am glad you live in the USA and are entitled to your view. I would add, notice I did not make such a comment about anyone that you might listen to or read.
     
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  3. evangelist6589

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    I dont think I can reason with someone like you. You do not desire to see the truth, but only desire to air your opinion.
     
    #23 evangelist6589, Oct 1, 2011
  4. evangelist6589

    evangelist6589 Well-Known Member
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    Practical theology is a branch of theology. The different systems of theology (historical, exegetical, systematic, biblical, practical, reformed/dogmatic,etc..) is something they teach (not in churches but in bible college).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practical_theology
     
    #24 evangelist6589, Oct 1, 2011
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    If I remember right Jesus spent a lot of time talking about money. If that is not practical and theological then what is it?
     
    #25 gb93433, Oct 1, 2011
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    I'm asking for evidence to back up your claims against these two ministries. You have only produced ad hoc criticisms. Please produce some actual evidence when labeling people false teachers.
     
    #26 preachinjesus, Oct 2, 2011
  7. jaigner

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    Uh, thanks, but I have a master's degree in theology. And Chuck Stanley is not very theological.
     
    #27 jaigner, Oct 2, 2011
  8. quantumfaith

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    Dr. Stanley is most often a "topical preacher". He has both a graduate degree and a Th.D in theology. I have never had coffee or dinner with him, but I am certain if you were to ask him, he deems his preaching style and content to be granted by the God he worships. There is no denying that God has used him and his talent and skill to touch the lives of countless persons over the decades of his pastoral ministry.
     
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  9. evangelist6589

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    I dont know anyone named Chuck Stanley. If you mean Charles, then yes from an academic perspective I would agree with you. However for practical theology he is practical. Norm Geisler is very very deep and theological, but not very practical. DA Carson is a good bible exegete, but not very practical. Millard Erikson is also a deep theologian, but not very practical. Its good to have people like Charles Stanley that are practical.
     
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  10. quantumfaith

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    :) I am reminded of I Corinthians 12, Pauls treatise on spiritual gifts.
     
    #30 quantumfaith, Oct 3, 2011
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    Comparing God's servants to vomit is appalling...but consider the source.
     
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  12. webdog

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    Well it must be true...jaigner has a Master's degree! :rolleyes:
     
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    Not a huge fan of Ramsey. His cookie cutter approach doesn't work for everyone. He also is in favor4 of working more and seeing your family less to pay down debt faster and belittles and demeans his callers with "stupid", "idiot". If I recall his financial wisdom came about due to his bankruptcy, not his methods.
     
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    Exactly… Its good to have discernment. Listen to Crown and the president does not say you cant have a CC. He says you must pay it off whenever you use it. This is what I do to earn rewards.

    Yes Ramsey is very very sarcastic. Once a woman tweeted him, and the tweet ticked him off so much that he said she was mentally ill, crazy, had problems with her parents, she was abused as a child, and on and on he went over someone he does not even know!
     
    #34 evangelist6589, Oct 4, 2011
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    Hmmm, you see, I would find Erikson of Carson very practical.
     
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    Yeah, thanks, but what I meant was that I didn't need that particular info, not that all my theological perspectives are spot on or as good as gold.
     
    #36 jaigner, Oct 4, 2011
  17. quantumfaith

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    Thanks jaigner, this type of admittance is a breath of fresh air in BB land. :) I too feel the same, particularly because I have precious few bible/theology courses on my curriculum vitae.
     
    #37 quantumfaith, Oct 4, 2011
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    IF dave really does endorse those men that you listed, then he cannot be trusted for spiritual discernment in theology, but STILL can be viewed as being biblical in his financial advise... NONE of those men actually teach the Bible right, as they all have a Gospel of self esteem/self help, NOT Gospel of jesus!

    My biggest fault with dave in monetary issues is that he tends to have debt as being sinful/evil period, and that he assumes that God wants to have ALL Christians financially well off/affluant!
     
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    #39 Grasshopper, Oct 7, 2011
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    North is spot on and also shares the reason I'm not a fan. A fraud in many aspects actually.
     
    #40 webdog, Oct 8, 2011
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