Death Panels

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    That's Obamacare. If it survives.
     
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    It's the new patriotism for the elderly.

    Hemlock anyone?


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    I challenge you all to suggest an alternative solution. Is the government or insurance companies obligated to keep every person alive as long as it is technically possible? If not, what is a "moral" cut off point?

    My Old Man "cost" Medicare and AT&T more in his last two years than he grossed in 25 years. Was this "fair" and does every person "deserve" similar pay back?
     
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    "...difficult-to-manage elderly patients..."

    Watch it billwald...

    They are talking about you here. :laugh:
     
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    Yes you work to keep people alive from womb to grave as long as possible.
     
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    So, why didn't you just kill him? Would have saved the government tons of money. Fair enough?
     
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    So the zero heads go from "Yer only talking about death panels 'cuz Obama's black", to "we NEED death panels".
     
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    Clean out the white house and the senate.
    Smaller Government.
    Use the ballot broom to sweep out all the perpetrators of waste, ignorance, pork and fraud.
    Boot the unions out of politics.
    No more corporate bailouts.
    Rescind anti-capitalism legislation.
    Rescind regulations which drive up health insurance rates (allow interstate choice of providers).
    Tort reform in the medical sector.
    Reform federal income tax system and greatly reduce or eliminate the IRS.
    Reverse Roe vs. Wade (Besides protecting the innocent and the blessings thereof it will increases the tax payer population).

    That's a start to free up and generate more funds for the elderly and other worthy needs (unlike Solyndra, wasteful government acencies and Hawaii junkets).

    Orthers can add more if they wish but this should suffice.

    The elderly are of the generation which went to war, worked and sacrificed to make this one possible.

    Yes keep the elderly comfortable and alive as long as possible.
    There is no moral cut off point.

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    Amen, HankD, Amen! :thumbs:
     
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    We already have death panels in the insurance companies who decided what will and will not be paid for ... thus deciding who will live and who probably will not live.
     
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    Figures you cannot see the difference.
     
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    A completely uneducated claim.

    An insurance policy is a negotiated legal contracto that specifies benefits and costs.

    If the insurance company does not live up to the contract you have the option of suing.

    You also have the option of changing insurance companies.

    With Obamacare you get what the goverment deigns to give you - period.
     
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    [SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]Bill first I want to apologize to you for un-Christ like smart remarks and slander you have received over your post, and say that you raise a good point, but I would first say that I regret that this man was your "Old Man" and not your dad. For the rest I think you make a reasonable point. Just how much do we spend and for how long to keep someone breathing when they have no appreciable living? [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
    The problem here is even bigger then that. Do we really want the government or an outside entity like an insurance company making those calls. In years past we had a built in safety valve for this. It was the combination of no insurance along with the lack of medical ability to keep someone breathing when they would never again be able to contribute to themselves or others so they just died.
    I am not so sure that our so called medical advances are always a blessing. For the believer this is an issue that the church needs to address in a Christ like manner instead of off the cuff emotionalism from pious hearts. We claim we are eager to meet our Master and then we seek to deny the person the meeting.
    For one I think it is extremely important to talk about our last days and just how much care we get. Do we want to be kept alive breathing while we rot away in a body that will never again be of any practical use to us or would we prefer to leave this body to go and be with out Lord?
    We have to be careful that we do not allow the government or other entities make decisions for us that we should have already made or else we end up with a myriad of Terri Schiavo’s. We have a responsibility and if we do not exercise it others will take it from us and do it for us. Throwing money at a body that will never recover to keep it breathing is not the answer and we need to face it.
     
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    You could always pay for care yourself. Just because the government puts a price tag on a human life doesn't mean you have to. My wife and I wiped out 30 years worth of savings and investments to pay for longterm care for our oldest child when all of the 'programs' failed to pay. I'll have plenty of time to rebuild the portfolio but only one opportunity to meet an acute crisis while it was happening.
     
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    With that I agree! :thumbs:
     
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    Off topic. Start another thread.
     
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    You just don't like his comments because it shows the foolishness of your OP.
     
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    Start another thread to show all of us mean conservativesw all the people the insurance companies have killed.

    Until then you are blowing smoke. But we're used to that.
     
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    Murder by any other name (e.g. patriotism): is still murder.


    http://www.examiner.com/article/abortion-touted-as-patriotic-duty

    The basis of the Heathcare Bill is not to save life but money.

    Thus we (the elderly, sick and infirmed) are to do our patriotic duty, help save the economy by committing suicide.

    There are two states which have legalized self-murder, the States of Washington and Oregon.

    The State of Washington (where I reside) calls it "Death with Dignity".
    Oregon calls it what it is "Assisted Suicide".

    The pre-bill propaganda always starts with people in a coma or paralyzed (ala Terri Schiavo) and the family "forced" into "compassionately pulling the plug".

    Later it develops politically into something more (of course).

    Not to long ago, I watched a local documentary where some poor soul here in WA who was suffering and diagnosed as terminal was counseled to "die with dignity".

    He was conscious and in his right mind and actually didn't seem to be suffering that much. But he agreed (insistingly) and guess what, yes we were allowed to watch the entire process (they gave him a "cocktail") and he offed himself.

    We were assured that this was a real "death with dignity" noting that he simply fell asleep and although it was not openly stated the idea was presented as as being a good alternative to saving time and resource for the family of the "dignified" one.

    It was very troubling to me for several days and even now when I think about it again. I concluded shouldn't have watched it (but I did learn something).

    Here is an example of a propagandized ad:
    http://www.deathwithdignity.org/2008/11/04/washington-voters-approve-death-dignity-act

    Sick.

    HankD
     
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