Defending God

MP

You are so right! Everyone can try to discourage God in my life, but noone can over power the King . . .

 

I stand corrected.

Menargeekeeper, thank you. :love2: :wavey:

 

Gina,

The root question should be, "Does God need us to defend Him?

Knowing that a Special Forces soldier can take 2 or more years to train . . . and knowing that body guards of dignitaries are highly trained soldiers (or police) . . .

I know that when the captain of the guard for Jesus looked to the Father and waited for the command to eliminate the romans as the killed the Son . . . he was not permitted to exercise his (and his soldiers) capabilities against a MUCH inferior roman detachment.

When the Son mounts that white horse . . . his body guard get to finally do their job . . .

If God can ask (command) that group of elite personal body guards to wait . . . sometimes we can feel privileged when we have the opportunity to witness . . .

And what is witnessing? It is letting the Lion that is the Truth of the Gospel out of the bag . . .

You see:

(1) He can deny the Gospel;
(2) He can deny part of the Gospel;
(3) He can pretend that he has 'time to make a decision later';
OR, (4) he can admit that Jesus is Who He is . . .

Everyone will choose number 4 someday . . . so, why not today?


I am praying for you!

Wayne

 

Spirit

hey, maybe that is the way the spirit is telling you that this is not a good class to be in and it would be better for you to find another alternative to this class. Sometimes, we are meant to say nothing and I believe you did good by leaving this class. If the spirit lead you than bravo for you. We all learn through our lives when the best time to sit or stand is better. One on one I can hold my own, but in a class of my peers or better yet a whole group of non-believers it is better for me to bow out because of the tongue. I would go off of the deep end. :tongue3: and that is not God like for me to argue in this manner. :saint:

 

Another thing

Sorry, maybe you can find another teacher who teaches the thing you are wanting to learn, trying transferring from that class, just a suggestion. Whatever you do, don't be discouraged because the devil likes that when he can shake your faith. Love And Trust God for the answer. He will not let you down. :type:

 

Which forefathers? The Pilgrims who persecuted other Christian denominations? The Catholics who founded Maryland? The Quakers in Pennsylvania? The early settlers were not very tolerant and persecuted other Christians, but that was all pre-USA.

No evidence, your statement is meaningless.

The pledge did not include "under God" until the 1950s. I also question a recitiation of pledging my allegiance to anything. The Supreme Court has ruled that children do not have to participate in the pledge. Many have religious reasons for not doing so. Do you want to deprive them of this religious freedom?

No, but you could start a school in your church, or homeschool them. Your financial situation doesn't give you the right to teach other peoples' children your religion over that of their parents in the public school.

The statute requiring all currency to have the phrase was, like the modified pledge, a McCarthy era addition with no bearing on the basis of our law.

 

maji

If you chose to belittle God at every turn around, that is your right but you are wrong. Don't try and turn around our country. Or the way it was founded. You have some beef with your country, this is not the place for it. The story about the child is true weather you believe it or not it was on television and frankly maybe you had better sit back and rethink your reasoning. Sounds to me like you are trying to disreguard God in every aspect of our life. Are you an atheiest? this country was built on God's foundation not man. He delivered our forefathers from the persucutions of the past. Maybe you have a beef with God. I will pray for you because you are my brother just as my brother is my brother. I will also ask God for guidance in what I will say next. It was good enough for our forfathers and God,:godisgood: it is good enough for me.

 

and where my children are concerned.

back then when I raised my children there was no such thing as homeschooling. At least not to my knowledge or maybe us hicks just couldn't afford to send our children to the well know christian schools. Don't belittle what you have not idea we go through. Not all of us are born with a silver spoon in our mouths. Maybe that is what you are angry about. There will always be poor people who are richer than the richest people in the world because they have God. Do you have God?:saint:

 

First of all, where have I belittled God? As for the nation's founding, you need to do some study. You are wrong.

You make a claim about a child being expelled for believing in God. If you make an assertion, YOU have the burden of proof. Provide evidence. If not, it is hearsay. This is a debate forum. In debates, you will be challenged to provide evidence to support your assertions.

 

Again, you speak out of ignorance, Mary. I certainly have no silver spoon. And I am not angry, so I don't know where you get that either, other than projecting your own feelings. Like I said in another thread, I pray that you find some peace in your life.

 

I have :jesus: does He count?

:saint:

 

Of course he does, EG! :thumbs:

 

I know what I know

One of these days I will run across the article of proof and when that day comes I will rejoice not that I was right but you will have to humble yourself to God.:type: . You need to go back in your book and history, it was religious persucution that the people left and founded this America.
You are a know it all and someday you will find out you know nothing like me. AMEN us country folks, will humbly bow in front of God, will you? Are you saved, would you like me to help me say the prayer of repentance for you. Dear Heavenly Father, forgive my ignorance but guide my heart and my ways to follow Thee.

 

Then try what I wrote earlier, Gina

Yes, scripture also states we are to "contend for the faith".

Contend = fight or struggle.
Then are some others as well.

or

Now both of these selection of verses deal with those speading false teaching within the church, but the same principle applies in our lives amoungst other people not of like faith. We are not to berate them, but identify their error and speak the truth IF the situation warrents it.

What do I mean by that: Is he blantantly withstanding Christianity or he is making fun of it because he thinks it is just silly superstition. One is direct opposition with intent destroy a faith, the other is mere childishness of someone who is uneducated in this field of study.

In this, I see only one that NEEDs to be addressed (either to him or His superiors) and the other is one that can be squelched somewhat by getting with others of the class and talking up Christ. It then becomes a great witnessing time.

 

menageriekeeper


Scriptures state:

We have every right AT TIMES to be angry, but we have no right to allow that anger to cause us TO sin.

And yes, Jesus did defend himself.

When the religous leaders tried to being doubt about who is really was, Jesus defended His teachings by telling them who He was (ex. Before Abraham was, I AM.) When they tried to bring doubt about His ability to understand the Law in relation to salvation, Jesus would again show THIER ineptness at understanding. Jesus DID contend for the faith but He had much more....ummm....style about how He did it. Then again He was/is God in the flesh. And He will AGAIN though more substantially contend at His second Coming.

 

O.K. Obviously all this has you both confused and upset!

Take a different stance and consider; If you dont take a stand and declare who you are in Christ and why it is important to your life why not? What would your reasons be?

raying:

 

Wow, God is so good! Yes, you did need a spirit booster and that surely sounds like a huge beginning!
By semesters end he may even admit to the fact that Christ was present at the creation! Your own mission field there Gina!
God bless! Word upon word, precept upon precept, little by little! You were faithful!

 

The question is whether we should "defend God." Well, scripture doesn't exactly phrase it that way, but to get to the underlying point:

Yes, we are to defend the faith. Scripture commands us to. Allan rightly pointed to Jude 3, where it says to "earnestly contend" for the faith, which means to fight vigorously, or to defend in a court of law.

Also 1 Peter 3:15: Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is within you, with meekness and fear.

2 Corinthians 10:5, We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God.

In Acts 17:16-17, Paul reasoned in the synagogue, as well as in the marketplace with those who happened to be there. Note: reasoned....

Titus 1:9: Encourage sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

In Philippians 1:7, Paul says he was defending and confirming the Gospel. Note: defending again.....

There are others, but you get the point. So we are commanded to exhort people and defend the gospel. The question for you is what is the appropriate way.....?

Since the class is all the prof lecturing, he controls the class. Likely he will not take kindly to you confronting him in his realm, the classroom. I would take the advice given earlier in this thread, and speak to him afterward. I would do it by finding an apologetics book, and giving it to him, asking "I found this book to be interesting, and I think it presents a very sound defense of the Christian position. Will you read it and tell me what you think?"

Then after the course is over and you have your grade, you can confront him more directly. If he hasn't read the book, you can gently challenge him again, saying that the book answers all his questions and refutes his positions, and in the spirit of academia you challenge him again to read it.

There are many good Christian apologetics books. Start with www.impactapologetics.com, or do a search for Christian Apologetics and you'll find many excellent ones. if you have a specific area of specialty for this prof, I could recommend one. Pray for this lost man, and pray for your own defense. Don't try to do this alone, stick with other strong believers.