Democracy in Iraq

The truth is that we live in a "Democracy" that refuses 4,000 babies a day freedom of speech, free press, free vote, etc. They face "toruture and death" on a daily basis. But, that is okay as long as we spend all of our resources to bring temporary freedom to everyone around the world, and pass a few parental notification laws every few years to keep the "Christians" here at home quiet.

Whose side would you fight on if another country felt the need to invade the US to liberate the thousands of babies that are tourtured and killed daily here in your "Democracy"?

 

This foreign policy is devoid of any morality and wrong.

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]What foreign policy?? President Madison was giving a word of warning to America, and we have see that his wise words have started to come true more and more since 9/11, tyranny and oppression will only grow in this land as we continue fighting a war against the tactic of terror.

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither safety nor liberty."--Benjamin Franklin

Those "racist" founding fathers had some great words of wisdom that we should listen to!

 

The President is pushing for more "democracy" on this issue, he is waiting for the majority of the "hearts of the people" to change. He would rather let thousands die, to achieve his "mob rule" "democracy" on this issue. Instead we need some leaders who are willing to put as much attention and energy as they are on saving those persecuted around the world on our own persecuted here in America even if 99% of the people disagree. If we can wage war to liberate Iraq, then we need to wage war to end abortion. We need a leader like Jefferson who will tell the SCOTUS to enforce their own ruling, because his Executive branch will refuse to enforce any ruling that is Un-Constitutional, like Roe v. Wade!

 

Most conservatives would be surprised to learn that the Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security was the brainchild of one William Jefferson Clinton. However, a recalcitrant Republican Congress denied Clinton the opportunity to implement these plans. Of course, with the Republican, G.W. Bush, serving as President, that same Republican Congress was all too eager to pass these bills into law.

For those who are willing to objectively analyze Bush's actions and policies, the truth is clearly seen: this President has systematically put in place laws, policies, and bureaucracies that can, are, and will continue to strip the American citizenry of the constitutional protections of their liberties.

Following are examples of freedoms which President Bush and his fellow Republicans in Congress have already expunged (as reported by the Associated Press):

*FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

*FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

*FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

*RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

*FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

*RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

*RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

These rights have already been lost! Whether individual Americans have been personally subjected to the resultant tyranny or not doesn't change the fact that they have already lost these freedoms! This fact, alone, should be enough for any studious lover-of-liberty to be outraged!

That good men are compliant and unconcerned regarding G.W. Bush's propensity to trample constitutional freedoms bespeaks a great ignorance or a great apathy, or both!

Source: Freedoms Lost Under G.W. Bush

 

So I guess your message is, "it makes me feel better to spread temporary freedom and democracy around the world, at least I don't have to think about the thousands of innocent babies being tourtured and killed daily in my own country and the liberty's and freedoms being erased in my own country, it probably won't affect me, so it's okay, my children and grandchildren may be persecuted as a result of this tyranny in America, but that's okay, because I can feel good about spreading some temporary freedom, maybe Jesus Christ will come back and rapture us and save us from the tyranny."

 

The truth is that we live in a "Democracy" that refuses 4,000 babies a day freedom of speech, free press, free vote, etc. They face "toruture and death" on a daily basis. But, that is okay as long as we spend all of our resources to bring temporary freedom to everyone around the world, and pass a few parental notification laws every few years to keep the "Christians" here at home quiet.

Whose side would you fight on if another country felt the need to invade the US to liberate the thousands of babies that are tourtured and killed daily here in your "Democracy"? </font>[/QUOTE]Are you saying that because there's a problem with abortions we should do nothing else? Are you saying that another country would be right to invade us to force an end to it?

We should, indeed, put an end to abortions but we're also right in what we're doing in Iraq and has nothing to do with the matter of abortions.

Patrick </font>[/QUOTE]I'm saying that if we can spend the time, money and energy to spread temporary freedom throught the Middle East, then we can spend the time, money and energy to end abortion in America. If we are justified in invading Iraq to simply liberate the people of Iraq, then any other country that wants to invade the USA to simply liberate the preborn children would be justified as well. The sad truth is that most politicians and most voters, even those who profess to be Christians simply view abortion as a political problem that is simply ignored, while they put every other issue both here and abroad at a higher priority.

"Or how can you say to your neighbor, 'Friend, let me take out the speck in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor's eye."

 

It is not committing idolatry to see that the founding fathers were 100 times better Americans that the socialist, NWO promoter George W. Bush.