Dependence on Government Hurting Black People

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  1. carpro

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    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200509\NAT20050908a.html

    Dependence on Government, Not Racism, Hurting Black People, Pastor Says
    By Susan Jones
    CNSNews.com Senior Editor
    September 08, 2005

    (CNSNews.com) - A black conservative leader says don't blame racism or President Bush for what happened to thousands of black people during and after Hurricane Katrina.

    "The truth is black people died, not because of President Bush or racism, they died because of their unhealthy dependence on the government and the incompetence of Mayor Ray Nagin and Governor Kathleen Blanco," said the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder and president of BOND (the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny).

    Peterson singled out the Rev. Jesse Jackson, members of the Congressional Black Caucus, and rapper Kanye West, all of whom blamed President Bush for not doing enough to help black people, especially in New Orleans, where TV images showed scenes of desperation and violence that continued for several days after the hurricane hit.

    Jackson called President Bush's response "incompetent" and charged that racism is partly to blame for the slow evacuation of survivors; and during a nationally televised fundraising event on NBC, West said, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

    Not fair, said the Rev. Peterson: "If black folks want to blame someone for this tragedy they only need to look in the mirror." Mayor Nagin has blamed everyone else except himself, when it was Nagin who failed in his duty to evacuate and protect city residents, Peterson said.

    "Our prayers go out to the families of the deceased," Peterson concluded. "Hopefully this will help black people realize the folly of depending on the government or leaders and serve as a notice to avert future tragedies in other cities."

    Peterson frequently criticizes the entrenched civil rights leadership, saying liberal black leaders have failed and exploited African-Americans.
     
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    I agree with Peterson 100%. However I will not restrict it to black people. There were people of all races looking for "big daddy government" to come help them (instead of helping themselves). People in this country, in general, have become WAY to dependent upon the government. This includes many self proclaimed "conservatives" who seem to think that the government (elections, courts, etc) is the answer to their problems. You want an example? Try "Justice Sunday" for one.

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    O and I have a job for all of those people stranded in the Astro dome. Instead of just sitting around for weeks, put them to work. Sure give them a week or so rest time then put them on daily schedules. They can clean the building, cut the grass, mop the floors, in other words they can make themselves usefull citizens. Others can go out and get jobs doing whatever they can find. I doubt, however, the majority of them will do that. Why? Because they are victims and being a victim is a treasured position in this country. I suspect most of them will milk it for all its worth and many (on the left and the self proclaimed right) will gladly go along with them.

    "if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either" 2Thess 3:10

    Notice Paul said "not willing to work", this assumes they can. Many of the people in that crowd CAN work, they are healthy and able. Therefore they should have some small task to perform everyday. That is right and that is healthy for them.

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    I'm no fan of CNS news, but it's reasonable to see the connection between adoption of the entitlement mentality and damage to those in the lower economic classes, which tend to be, unfortunately, minorities.
     
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    This needs to be factored into the review of what happened and what didn't happen. I suspect there's a great deal of truth in the message.
     
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    The job/work source place in Jax said that they were waiting for anyone that came here to come in and she ended by saying that they need to say that they are from the evacuation and that they would get "special" attention and help.

    That is good in itself. Except I feel it is unfair to those that LIVE here and are NOT receiving extra help from those that work there. Winn Dixie is downsizing and my friend that works there got a notice that her job would be one of those axed. When she went there, she got NO help. I think it is going to frustrate many that live here and pay taxes that they are not WORTHY of this "special attention".

    Thanks for letting me vent. [​IMG]
     
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    The less that you have to do with government the better. I could qualify for low-income housing and maybe help with my utilities, especially in the winter. However, I would rather work and be broke than be on a government program. If I accepted government help, then the government would start telling me what to do and how to live. Uncle Sam is supposed to be a friend but he is mostly a dependent it seems.
     
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    Martin,

    I think your idea is a good one. Idle hands are the devil's workshop. I think that if they refuse to work, they should have to leave. Maybe they were getting a free ride in LA with their system but since TX is doing this out brotherly love, they shouldn't put up with laziness.

    I have already heard some complaining that TX wasn't doing that great a job and she wasn't happy with how things were going.

    Then when they put an 11:00pm to 5:30am curfew in effect, YIKES. People were saying that now they were trying to take their freedom away. EVERY place has rules. It was for safety reasons that it was instituted anyway. Not to hold them hostage. If they didn't want to live by the rules, leave. If not, then quit griping and find something more productive to do than try to stir up a lot of trouble for those that are doing their best to make these evacuees comfortable.

    It really, really upsets me when I see people being SO ungrateful for all that is being done and will continue being done. :mad:
     
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    Martin, I think it would be a good idea for the government to pay the men that are able to work an hourly wage to go back and help with cleanup in their neighborhoods. Not the gruesome part, but after the bodies are removed, there is plenty of cleanup and rebuilding of communities to be done - it would give them a sense of community and working to build something instead of expecting a government handout. Able bodied men need jobs and need to EARN a living unless they are caregivers, IMO. [​IMG]

    Didn't FDR do something similar with the WPA? Lots of things were built on that program - bridges, sidewalks, etc. (Some history buff can feel free to correct me on this, but that's what has been told to me by people who lived then)
     
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    I rather respect those that depend on themselves and not what others can do for them. Too bad there aren't more of your kind out there. You are a stand up guy. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    LE,

    Another good point. And you are right about helping them feel that they are making their city a place that is home to them and in more ways than one.
     
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    Duplicate post.
     
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    Good for you, church mouse guy!
     
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    I agree, the people that live there should play a big role in the cleanup and reconstruction. They could also help provide their own security and ration out water, food, and supplies until things get back to normal.

    I also believe they could help with the more unpleasant tasks as well. People can do a lot of things they find uncomfortable when they have to do so. It can be a humbling and learning experience.

    In fact, I believe such an experience in letting the citizens deal with the problems first hand would be a valuable experience for future problems most likely to come. Our government may not always be able to tend to every need as quickly as we'd like.

    The WPA was a "make work" program during the depression years. It did provide some jobs and did result in some "good" things being built for the public. It was, for at least part of the time, operated by the military and men were required to live in barracks and subject themselves to some order and discipline. I can't say it was a "legitimate" role for the federal government but it put food on some tables during those difficult times.

    But, don't forget, the city government is making "everyone" - meaning individual residents - leave New Orleans right now! They have to get all those "civilians" out of the way! The government must keep us "safe" despite our own desires. They "know" what they're doing and "it's best for us". City government thinking is that the "ordinary citizens" are just too weak, ignorant, or helpless to withstand all the risks now in the city. They have to have the strong, smart, and capable people handle everything without any interference from mere citizens.
     
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    I agree with the OP 100%, with the disclaimer that it applies to the entire welfare community.

    Welfarism is the cruelest of all political philosophies.
     
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    You bet it does. You don't often hear a black man take this stance. Other so called leaders of the black community will be all over him for it.

    Just a thought...

    What does this say about European countries that some consider "welfare states"?
     
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    Good point!

    Expecting the government to handle all problems creates dependancy upon the government and gives up freedom to make our own decisions.

    The biggest problem we face is not the government itself but the demands we've made upon our government and what we've given up for them to provide what we've demanded.

    The trend continues even now in the midst of this great natural disaster.
     
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    You bet it does. You don't often hear a black man take this stance. Other so called leaders of the black community will be all over him for it.

    Just a thought...

    What does this say about European countries that some consider "welfare states"?
    </font>[/QUOTE]This is why the EU and her member states will never rival the US hegemony as world powers.

    Unless of course the US continues on her own rapid course of welfarism.
     
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    John, Why am I agreeing with you more and more? Next thing you know, I won't be able to argue with you about anything thus ruining a great source of entertainment for both of us.
     
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    Prior to WW2 the only white people who pass as black were some jazz musicians who wanted to play with authentic jazz musicians. In the 50's "Black Like Me" was an award winning story about a white guy who took a drug which darkened his skin and he wrote of his treatment as a black person.

    Back then black people were obviously by visual inspection negros and white people were obviously
    caucasians. There were very few people who could not be instantly visually classified. So if statistics were collected about the differences betwen white and black people you got what you paid for.

    After the Civil Rights Act of '64, the end of segregation, the end of red lining, and the start of affirmative action an economic advantage to being something other than "white" arose. Several previously white City of Seattle employees became something else when the city adopted affirmative action.

    Make a long story short, "black" is now a self designated classification, as is Hispanic. One can no longer visually determine who the minorities are. The minorities have to announce their self proclaimed status so that the rest of us can discriminate against them.

    Second, prior to '64 the segregated black community was economically and socially identical to the white community but at a lower economic level. It contained all the sorts of businesses and professionals that the white community did - except heavy manufacturing. After '64 the upper class and ambitious black people moved out of the old segregated districts and poor whites and hippies moved in. The old Negro culture was replaced with a modified white trash culture.

    That's life in the big city. At least in western Washington State.
     

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