Destruction from within

Alternatives? There are six major networks all corporate controlled. Some handing out "conservative" talking points and others handing out "liberal" talking points.

There are many think tanks, some claim to be "conservative" some claim to be "liberal". But they are all corporate controlled.

What alternatives are their in a system dominated by corporate control?

What do the corporations pay Limbaugh to do? Keep conservatives hating liberals. What do the corporations pay Olberman to do? Keep liberals hating conservatives.

Why do the corporations pay them both to keep the two factions hating each other? To keep them from becoming aware that it's the corporations that have taken over the country and are bleeding it to death by a thousand cuts.

Divide and conquer. God help the corporations if we ever put away our hatred for each other and combine our energies against the real enemies of the republic.

Evidently they do.

 

I believe poncho is a libertarian. Big difference.

 

If not corporate controlled, then what? Government controlled?

Yes, what is the alternative? Government controlled. Can you name any others?

 

I used to be a limited government republican conservative during the Reagan administration. But after Bush neoconned us and you all became big government loving democrats and declared war on the constitution and individual liberty I bailed out.

While you were all being hypnotized into giving up your own liberty by thinking that taking it away from those you were being programed to fear was the way to go I stayed the same.

Thanks again for helping Bush hammer all those nails in the republic's coffin, I told you all then he was going to pass the hammer on to the democrats and you'd regret it later on.

But you all knew better. Didn't ya? Feeling safe was more important than protecting your rights and defending the constitution. You republicans should be happy now. You got what you wanted under the Bush regime. Bigger more intrusive government with fewer fourth amendment protections for everyone. You all helped create the "unitary executive" with the power to torture people so when it comes right down to it Obama has you republicans to thank for the un-constitutional power he's claiming now. You helped pave the way for him.

And I warned you all about giving Bush all those new powers way back then. What was it you republicans were calling me in those days whenever I warned you about Bush's power grabs? A liberal, a pacifist, a traitor, un-patriotic, un-American, a danger to the country, anti-Semite, etc., etc.

Now you call me a libertarian. :laugh:

It sounds like you can't even imagine a world that isn't under corporate control, is that about right? Think free market. We don't have a free market now. We have a banker/corporate controlled market. They tell us it's a free market but it's not.

There is a rather large alternative media out there. You know those sources you all love to demonize precisely because they aren't corporate controlled.

Today there are six, count them 1-2-3-4-5-6 corporations that control all the information you get to see and hear. I say "get to see and hear" because if there is something they don't want you to see or hear you ain't going to see or hear it.

If by some chance you do see or hear something that doesn't follow the corporate line by an independent journalist or researcher then the corporations go into overdrive to bring you back into the fold. The corporations will converge and declare war on dissenters they'll pull out all the stops to demonize and marginalize anyone or any information that strays outside the "official" corporate storyline.

There is a bright spot though. The corporations are losing the infowar. Why do you think they want to control the internet so bad? The alternative media is growing while the corporate media is shrinking. They can't have that. People thinking for themselves and freely sharing information and ideas? How un-American.

 

Yes, I know about the alternative press. I guess I was taking you literally when you said corporate press, meaning, privately owned. I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of these alternative press entities are corporations. I guess when you say corporate press, you mean mega-corporate.

 

I mean the mega consolidated conglomerated corporate media that gives us the same news, information and message (trust us, don't ask questions) on every channel. It's the same script on every network.

 

There is nothing conservative about the modern GOP. I would have a hard time calling a republican voter a true conservative. Just like the modern democrat is no classic liberal.

Libertarians out conserve the conservatives, and promote more personal freedom of choice than liberals.

 

Exactly and that's why the republican and democrat parties go out of there way to make sure libertarians never get a national platform to make their views widely known.

They know that if libertarians ever get that chance republicans and democrats will jump ship faster than bilge rats with their tails on fire.

 

I disagree. Within the GOP, there's a spectrum of opinions. On one end there's the Tea Party, on the other there are what are commonly called RINOs. I should think that to hold to your statement, one would have to ingore this fact.

And they have little power in today's political climate other than to talk about the virtues of their beliefs, not that there's anything wrong with that; but without power, little is accomplished.

 

The GOP is not standing up for my rights. They do not stand for fiscal conservatism.

Libertarians get more power all the time. Thanx to the dems & reps.

 

The reason Libertarians don't have a national platform is because not enough voters share the same political views.

It's not the GOP's and Democratic Party's faults. The Libertarians can't get organized enough and are unable to step up their game enough to play in the big leagues.

 

The "tea party" was co opted by the chicken hawk neoconservatives and merged with the RINO herd long ago.

If what you say is true then there would have been no need for the republican party to resort to cheating and changing the rules to stop Ron Paul from getting nominated. But cheat and change the rules they did at every opportunity and in a big public way aided by the "liberal media" that skewed the numbers and announced winners before the votes were even counted.

You're being sold a bill of goods if you think the republican party and the "establishment" doesn't consider a libertarian candidate a real threat.

 

Of course the GOP considers them a threat.

It is the Libertarian Party's own fault that they are still numbered among the minor parties.

 

Yeah I suppose it is. Libertarians tell it like it is and offer real solutions that directly threaten the bottom line of the private banks and mega corporations that own and control the two major parties.

I suppose a libertarian candidate could sell his soul to the banks and corporations like the republicans and democrats have to get more mainstream exposure but then he wouldn't be much of a libertarian at that point would he?

 

Given the GOP's record of the last few years, on the whole I agree with the part about fiscal conservatism. As for standing up for our rights, depends on what rights.

And if one day they become a major party that has the ability to actually affect policy, I'm sure many fiscal conservatives and social liberals will be glad.

 

Neo? Neo? I believe that means "new" or "recent". So just what is a new conservative? Are they converts from the Libertarian movement or the democrat party? I have been a Conservative all my life so I guess I don't qualify.

 

Neocons are not conservative at all. They like big government telling us how we must behave, how we must believe, and what we are allowed to say and see.

 

Neoconservative.

Neocons aren't big on religion but are not above using religion to further their agenda to gain support among Christian conservatives for their agenda to create a "Pax Americana".

Evidently this ploy worked well for them because most Christian conservatives fell for it hook line and sinker. The neoconservative foreign policy of pre emptive strikes and regime change continue under Obama. Once the democrats were dead set against this imperialist foreign policy but since Obama came to power the anti war democrats have all been muzzled and silenced.

They've come to love under Obama what they once hated under Bush. Great news for those who make their living manufacturing weapons and surveillance systems for use in our new endless wars.

Endless wars = endless profits and no one is protesting against it. Which means there is a clear path paved with riches all the way to Armageddon for a select few "fortunate sons".

And the of us? Well, we just have to suffer and pay for the whole mess.

 

So you are a neocon and all this tome I thought you were a leftist.

 

So where did they come from. Reformed democrats, reformed Libertarians, back slid Conservatives? Answer my question please poncho. I know what you think about them. And MP is totally confused, he thinks they are leftists.