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Devotion to Mary 2

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Jkdbuck76, Sep 29, 2009.

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  1. Thinkingstuff

    Thinkingstuff Active Member

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    You make a good Point Marcia because scriptures explicitly state
    Then wouldn't Joseph and Mary be going against this principle?
     
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    No, read up on the Dark Ages. The Catholic Church has been in the Dark Ages ever since it began--well over 1600 years.
     
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  3. Marcia

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    This is the first time I thought of this. It is totally unnatural and against God's picture of marriage to make a wife remain a virgin throughout the marriage.
     
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  4. Zenas

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    But this was not a normal family, considering the nature of their firstborn. What man in good concience could be intimate with a woman who gestated and gave birth to the son of God, even if she was his wife? See Ezekiel 44:1-2.
     
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  5. DHK

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    Ezekiel 44:1-2 Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut. Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

    Okay. I saw it. So what. What has this to do with Mary?
     
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  6. Marcia

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    Joseph and Mary were special but they were also just plain ol' people. Why in the world would Joseph not want to have a marital relationship with his wife? I see no problem with that. Mary was not holy or untouchable. The fact she gave birth to Jesus does not lessen her as a human woman and wife.
     
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  7. Zenas

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    Ambrose, bishop of Milan, wrote in 391 AD,
    Similarly, Augustine wrote in about 430 AD,
     
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    That passage is not speaking of Mary's birth canal. The context does not support it nor does the rest of Scripture.
     
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    They have lots to learn don't they?? :laugh:
     
    #69 DHK, Oct 6, 2009
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    Stained Glass Saints :saint: or ordinary people like you and me? :smilewinkgrin:
     
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  11. Doubting Thomas

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    I wonder how many of you, who say that Mary "is just an ordinary woman", would also say the Ark of the Covenant was "just an ordinary gold box". (Or that the Temple, full of the Shekinah glory, was just a run-of-mill building.)
     
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  12. ReformedBaptist

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    Rather, who is saying with the Scripture that she is blessed and who has gone beyond the Scripture?
     
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    How does one analyze the relative value of blessings?
     
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    Good question. The word can simply translated "happy," or in some cases "favored." Take a look at the Beatitudes in Mat.5:1-12, where the word is used quite often.
     
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    Jesus died for people not boxes ,bronze snakes,or temples made with hands. Ordinary people can worship and such the Father seeks.....in spirit and truth. Truth is that if you are praying to ANYONE OR THING other than God you are an idolater and practicing a lie.
     
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    Jedi, do not be so subtle when you tell the truth?
     
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  17. Thinkingstuff

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    The way of the force it is. hmmmmm?
     
    #77 Thinkingstuff, Oct 9, 2009
  18. Doubting Thomas

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    Truth is, I worship the Holy Trinity and Him only. However, honoring those whom God honors is not idolatry. Neither is requesting prayers from others. (Nice try on the straw man argumentation, though)
     
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    Honor is different than adoration. It is different than veneration. What the Catholic church does with Mary is way more than honor.
     
    #79 annsni, Oct 13, 2009
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    No strawman...the level at which you honor Mary is excessive and idolatry
     
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