On an IFB church website that I was looking at they stated that Genesis 9:20-24 is the first recorded act of homosexuality and that alcohol was partially to blame. I've read these verses and found nothing suggesting that Noah and Ham had "lied with each other". I also got into an argument with an IFB at work who said that this was indeed true, and that there was some kind of wording in the Greek (I had to correct him that it was Hebrew and not Greek but never mind...) that indicated that Noah and Ham had lied with each other. If it is true that the Hebrew does indicate a homosexual encounter between Noah and Ham, than the KJV and most other bibles must be a poor translation of it, as at best it's meaning is not altogether clear, and at worse is just plain false. Also, if it was true than Noah should've been cursed right along with Ham for being a drunken homosexual! I take these verses at face value, that Ham walked in and saw his father naked and did nothing about it, mabye he even thought it was funny when he told his brothers (scripture doesn't say that but it was possible). If we understand the culture and the times, being naked was very shameful and humiliating and would've warranted outrage from the righteous Noah after he found out what had happened. I also must say I find it hard to believe that alcohol could cause and old man like Noah to have sex with his own son (the incident with Lot's daughters was different, they were of the opposite sex and were veiled, pretending to be someone else). Also, to suggest that alcohol might cause an otherwise normal person to become a child molester or a homosexual (it seems some IFBer's actually believe this) is a bit ridiculous. Alcohol can cause someone to lose control and/or inhibitions but those people would've already had those tendencies whether they were drunk or not. I'm also concerned about this because IFBer's are thought of having some kind of obsession with homosexuality by the unsaved and some other Christians and teachings like this only reinforce those beliefs, which ultimately brings damage the cause of Christ. We ought not to inject our own culture and our own biases against alcohol or homosexuality or whatever else into bible verses to make them say something they don't. Are there any IFBer's that would care to elaborate or show me where I'm going wrong here?