Did Christ Die Only for the Elect

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  1. Crabtownboy

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    I am currently indexing a forthcoming book entitled: Communities of Conviction: Baptist Beginnings in Europe. In the text when speaking of Particular Baptist the following statement is made:

    Do you agree with the belief that Christ died only for the elect? If so, why? If not, why not?
     
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    Depends on what you mean by "elect."

    Not being snarky, just that is the central term.

    By elect I suggest it means the redeemed who have been justified by the blood of the Lamb of God, i.e. Jesus Christ. If that is the case then yes, Jesus died for the elect...and only the elect. :)
     
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    I would assume that because Crabtown is talking about "Particular Baptists" that he means elect for salvation. That is what they hold to.


    In answer to the OP, I would ask, what does the bible say?

    Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Jhn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

    1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.


    Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


    The elect are those who put their faith in Christ.
     
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    No. Reason? Scripture doesn't say He did :)
     
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    If Christ died only for certain people, then why did God say that "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."? Romans 10:13. "Whosoever" means ANYONE! The word "elect" does not mean that God has decided that He will only save certain people no matter who calls out to Him for forgiveness. He does NOT say to anyone, "Sorry, you're not one of my elect--so I won't save you even though I know you're sincere and truly repentant." God's love and forgiveness are for everyone, but not everyone will call upon Him.

    My God is not that unjust and unloving. The word "elect" simply means that He has elected to save only those who call on Him for forgiveness. Contrary to what many believe, not everyone is going to heaven--only those who call upon the Lord for forgiveness. Also, God will not turn anyone away--except those who refuse to humble themselves and ask for forgiveness. He does not save unrepentant sinners.
     
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    Question: Why does the Bible say that Esau sought repentance carefully with tears, and yet was not?
    We may not like what we read, but it is perfectly true with GOD.
    John 6:44 states that, No Man can come to me except the Father draw him. The people did not like what he said in the sixth chapter of John. Many left him and went their way. He asked his deciples, will ye also go away?
    Peter answered him saying, 'To whom shall we go?"
    It was said to them in that chapter, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profoteth nothing.

    Sorry I may not like those words and you may not like them either, neverthe less, GOD does whatsoever he will.
    Back to the start of this comment."Why didn't Esau find favor with GOD?"
     
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    His condition...his heart, not that he wasn't "elect".
     
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    Jesus died for all, but instead of some. The blood of the cross was sufficient for all, but efficient for the elect.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    I don't necessarily disagree with any of your post. The elect are the only ones who will truly repent and call on the name of the Lord.

    On the answer to the opening post, I'm unsure. I'm Calvinistic in soteriology, but I can see the arguments for limited and unlimited atonement.
     
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    Christ came and died only for those included in the world JN 3:16 1JN 2:2


    So if they ain't included in that he didn't died for 'em
     
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    Christ’s “advocacy” is limited to believers (1John 2:1; 1John1:7): His propitiation extends as widely as sin extends (John 3:16; 2 Peter 2:1)
     
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    Simple yet to the point. :thumbsup:
     
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    That doesn't really explain the question. I believe he was sincere in his plea to GOD. Jacob was somewhat of a rascal. . Why did GOD make choose him even when he was a decieveing person? I think I will have to accept what GOD did and not ask questions. Even as JOB thought he would argue with him, GOD asked JOB some questions like, where were you when I formed the world and etc.
     
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    What question? Why Esau didn't find favor with God? I recall God blessed him, too, yet God said "if YOU do what is right..." to Cain, another person those claim were not "elect" from before the world began. It never came down to Esau being "elect" or not. It's reading into Scripture to state Christ didn't die for Esau, and the reason God sovereignly chose Jacob over Esau as the seed from which the Messiah would come can't be contained to a systematic theology.

    Isaiah refer's to Christ as "God's Elect". Those in Him are also "God's Elect". We are in Him through faith. It's actually quite simple.
     
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    I usally try to stay out of these debates because most people do not have an open mind when it comes to matters such as election and eternal security. But I really don't see how one can refute 1Jn 2:2 when come to the question of Christ dieing for all.

    If you say he did not, can you please address this verse in context?
     
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    take the word "might" out of John 3:17 and He did, but you can't and be right.
     
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    REMOVED because I am an idiot
     
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    and complete John 3:17 with verse 18:
    He that believes on Him is not condemned; but he that believes not IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he has not believed in te name of the only begotten Son of God" This tied in wth all the other verses that clearly show that man is condemned already, except all the elect shall be saved.

    We cannot intepret any scripture in isolation.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    When you ask about a specific passage, please post the biblical reference. Where is this?
     
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    Um, the world is a candidate for election, at least according to the context with which Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus .
     

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