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Did God die last week?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by NaasPreacher (C4K), Nov 13, 2008.

  1. abcgrad94

    abcgrad94 Active Member

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    You've hit the nail on the head. It just saddens me because America has been a great nation, and I hate to see my country turn it's back on God.
     
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    Thank you for an honest perspective
     
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    Psalm 33:12, "Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD."

    Obama is not the reason that God is not Lord in America, but he is the in-your-face everyday reminder that our people have severely turned away from doing God's will. May God change hearts even so. :praying:

    With this vote, the majority of our citizenry clearly showed that they are not interested in seeing God's will done in this country. The God of America is $$$. :( A vote for Obama was a vote for the economy, pro-choice, pro-homosexual, and anti-Christ.

    The LORD is God over His earth :D; He is long suffering and He has allowed this, probably because of the hardness of our hearts... but how sad to see America continue to plummet from her strong Christian foundations to becoming a self-serving materialist people. I know fundamental 'Christians' who were going to vote for Obama. How can God's people be so irresponsible when we have such a privilege as voting for our officials!

    I'm praying that our American church at large will do some soul searching over the next couple of years, repent and return to our first love: Christ Jesus! :jesus:
     
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    [I'm praying that our American church at large will do some soul searching over the next couple of years, repent and return to our first love: Christ Jesus! :jesus:[/quote]


    Perhaps that is what He is doing. Even when S& G, Jericho, Nineveh Greece, and Rome, were judged He saved a remnant out. Isreal had the same example for us. They left with almost nothing, but He provided and their faith was rewarded.

    I believe the U.S.A. is headed for judgment, but some Christians will be saved and His church will emerge cleansed and sanctified.
     
  5. Aaron

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    May joy and blessedness come upon you in abundance!:praying:


    Pro 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

    Allow people to do what the Scriptures give them room to do, and spare them your holier-than-thou incredulity.
     
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    1 Thessalonians 5:16 Rejoice evermore.

    1 Thessalonians 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

    We can rejoice always in the eternal truths of God; and always be thankful for His immutability, that His promises to us will never fail.
     
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    This is a strange side effect of this society we created, it's ok to protest FOR g@y rights but it's not ok to protest AGAINST g@y rights. Just as it's ok to protest FOR civil rights but it's not acceptable to protest AGAINST civil rights.
     
  8. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Have you seen a righteous ruler in your life time?

    Your personal insult is duly noted. Have I done any more than express God's perspective on persecution and sufffering? What passage that I have quoted expresses 'holier-than-thou incredulity?'
     
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    Fantastic post!
     
  10. Aaron

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    I've certainly seen some wicked ones, and the president elect tops them all.

    My point is that you don't want persecutions and chatisements yourself. They may yield the peaceable fruit of righteousness, yet to go through them is heaviness and grievousness. Add to that the bitterness of seeing the greatest nation to ever inhabit the earth fall it has done.

    For you to sit in another nation (whose peaceful existence relies on America's strength and prosperity) and pontificate about what Christians here should be feeling about the last election is offensive. Add to that some the theology you've belched throughout your tenure here and the offense is insufferable.

    The one man of modern times who may have standing to admonish us concerning hard times is Richard Wurmbrand, who being dead yet speaketh. He suffered unspeakable tortures under the Communist regime in Romania for being a Christian. I've read his books, and you, sir, are no Richard Wurmbrand, and in my eyes have no standing to judge those here who bare their mournful souls and heavy hearts over what they percieve has happened to this nation.

    If you were truly spiritual, you would be mourning with us, not upbraiding us for not feeling indifferent about a truly tragic turn of events. Is that how you council those who've lost loved ones? "You should be joyful for the blessing! God is still on the throne!" What a miserable comforter you are.

    Christ wept over Lazarus though He knew that in a few moments He would raise Lazarus from the dead. He wept because He loved him. Allow those of us who love this nation this time of mourning without your trite references to irrelevant Scriptures.
     
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    Aaron---why you all up in Roger's "grill", dude??

    He's a US citizen just like you and me----with a different personality that probably allows him to see the nation's Presidential election in different perspective

    Personally---I'm not "mourning" the nation as a result of the election---all I know is, the dude promised "change" and we as citizens need to hold his feet to the fire----but he won't be any different than the other 43 thats come before him--gracious alive!!

    So lay off of Roger

    Bro. David
     
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    Good post Brother David. I just know that our good brother in Ireland would not stand the ground to defend himself, taking it all in good grace and patience.

    I am sitting here bewildered. Some speak of a free America, a free vote, and yet, when a clear majority elect another citizen all Hell has let loose. He does answer to a Congress and Senate, and in four years will face another free election.

    Cheers, and God bless,

    Jim
     
  13. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I trust that your personal tirade against me allows you to vent some of your frustrations my brother. ('...some the theology you've belched throughout your tenure here ...' was especially good :thumbs:)

    I certainly am no Wurmbrand - you are dead right about that one. And apparently the American church is not the same precious Romanian church who suffered under persecution with joy in their hearts.

    Now, could you deal with the scriptures that I have mentioned please adn how they are irrelevant?
     
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    Really? Is president elect Obama worse than Stalin and Hitler, or Sadaam Husien and Bin Laden?

    I am not a fan of Obama, and I believe he is liberal. But I am sure there could have been worse choices for a president. Personally, I would take Obama over any Latin American leader.

    As others have done, I come to Rogers defense. I have not seen any upbraiding, rather a reminder that we are to be joyful as Scripture mandates us to be. Your statement here clearly shows that you do not understand what true biblical joy is. Joy does not arise from circumstances but from satisfaction in the Savior. Joy like this does mourn, but it is not discouraged or defeatist because these show a lack of trust in God.

    So how do you address all the many clear references to rejoicing in times of suffering and difficulty?

    Speaking of irrelevant Scriptures! Christ weeping over Lazarus has nothing to do with the USA. By the way, He may not have been weeping for Lazarus in the first place but the unbelief of the crowd.

    Why not deal with passages like 1 Peter (the whole book deals with joy in suffering)? It certainly is not irrelevant.
     
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    A most interesting question and set me to thinking. First I wanted to be sure of the meaning of "righteous." Here is a definition from www.dictionary.com

    Taking that definition I began thinking of world leaders who I believe acted or tried very hard to act in a righteous manner. At the moment I can think of two who fit:

    Nelson Mandela -- setting up a reconciliation commissin in S. Africa instead of seeking revenge.

    Jimmy Carter -- I believe everything he did he did from the depth of his religious beliefs.

    This does not mean I agree or disagree with everything either man did, just believe they acted in a righteous manner.

    I'll duck now. :laugh: :tonofbricks:
     
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    Well if you are going to use that definition then maybe you could say this. However what does the Bible say true righteousness is. From a biblical perspective none of us can answer that we have seen a truly righteous leader.

    Edited only to correct quotation error
     
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