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Discussion in 'History Forum' started by LadyEagle, Sep 8, 2003.
Did Jesus Christ come to ancient America?
Trying to figure out "when".
Pre-incarnate? No record of it.
After the ascension? Went to heaven
During the past 20 centuries? In heaven interceding
At return? Mount of Olives ain't in Ohio
Evidence would be sorely lacking.
When Jesus said "Other sheep have I . . " was he talking about America?
I guess anything's possible, but I'd say the odd on this one are about as good as the odds of my winning the lottery and moving to Sandusky, Ohio.
Curiously enough, there are verfied legends among Native Americans of a white, bearded visitor, who arrived over the ocean from the east. Some legends associate this visitor with the morning star (the sun? venus?), claim he had a red beard, and promised to return. Other versions add other details. Aside from these vague coincidences, there is no indication he was Jesus. He may represent a completely legendary character, an early Phonecian navigator, etc. Right now all that can be said is that the myths exist but the "hero" is unknown.
This "Christ in the Americas" thing is a Morman invention. The web site you linked appears to be typical Morman propaganda.
Reminds me of the Anglo-Israel groups, and the language distortions they went through to try to prove their points.
There's a lot that the Bible doesn't tell us about what Jesus did on His days off. In fact, it tells us reletively little but, still, I would tend to doubt the Mormon claim that he visited North America based on the fact that God, in His foreknowledge would have to have known that this would be an impotant detail to include in scripture.
That, combined with the fact that there's no credible historical or archeological evidence to demonstrate that He visited North America makes it doubtful.
Sounds pretty mormonistic to me. When I was in Salt Lake City on a preview visit for the Olympics, I attended a video showing sponsored by the Mormons. It showed that the Mormons held that Jesus visitied the Americas. I want to think, though tat it took place after his death.
At any rate, I shook my head at its error.
Not likely. The likelest scenario is that Jesus gave the great commission, and then ascended to heaven, leaving those left behind to do the rest.
American natives had no exposure to Christianity until the Columbus in the eastern region (late 1400's) and the Spanish explorers in the western region (mid 1700's). And even there, comprehension of the Gospel was limited only to those natives who could comprehend the language and culture of those from whom it came.
White? With a red beard? Doesn't sound like a 1st century Jew to me. Sounds more like the mysterious visitor mentioned in an above post was Welsh or Irish. They both have legends of visitng America well before Columbus. The Irish say St Brendan was there. The Welsh say Prince Mardoc. Maybe one of those, but not Jesus.
Ar they sure he wasn't red with a white beard, going "ho, ho, ho" - that's posibly more plausible.
Morons...er...sorry, mormons. Nuff said
Yours in Christ
Just to perpetuate the concept that figures lie and liars figure.
Jesus being equal to God -
And God being omnipresent -
Then Jesus must have continually visited ancient America!!
Well, it's a crock, but William Blake used the British version effectively:
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic Mills?
Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.
But we all know that Joseph of Arimethea took the Holy Grail to England (no matter the disinformation in Indiana Jones and the Final Crusade).
I think there's a real possibility St. Brendan may have made it close to N.America or Greenland.
However, the white, red-bearded, legends come from Central America. Possibly they refer to a pre-Columbian visitor from Asia or Southern Europe, but I doubt whether we'll ever know anything more -- it'll have to stay a mystery.
On that basis, Columbus discovered Ray Charles...
Major B said:
You have to reach a lot farther than I did to substantiate your statement!!!
Ray Charles to Columbus upon discovery:
"YOU GOT THE RIGHT ONE, BAAAAAAAABAAAAAYYYY!"
You have to reach a lot farther than I did to substantiate your statement!!! </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe it was Columbus Records ....
The one thing that has always struck me about the Book of Mormon and this position that Jesus visited America after his resurrection and ascension is that there is absolutely no archeological evidence to back up the claims that this book makes about how America looked at the time of this alleged visit.
At the time when Joseph Smith, um, "translated" the gold plates into the Book of Mormon, there was little or no knowledge of what exactly was "out there" in the American West. There may have been some vague notions of "natives" and buffalo and other such things out there, but it was all a great, vast unknown to the people of the early 19th century. Joseph Smith could have written anything about civilizations out there and how Jesus Christ had visited them all, and no one would have known any better.
Now, it is a glaring and very obvious void to find no evidence whatsoever of the "civilizations" that are mentioned in the Book of Mormon. And without them, then any claim of Jesus visiting North America is impossible to accept.