http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2010/05/11/satan-the-fall-good-evil-overpopulation With the recent Nye / Ham debate being hot, I think one aspect that is not touched on between evolutionists (theistic and atheistic) and creationists is the role of death and population pre and post fall. I keep hearing that the earth would have been overpopulated by plant and animal life if there was no death before the fall, but I think such an argument is faulty as it views data through a naturalistic and current post fall lens. Just because reproduction happens one way today does not necessitate it equally happened that way pre fall, nlr would it necessarily remained that way had there been no fall. We know there wont be reproduction on the New Earth, there is no reason a non sin stained initial Earth would have been different. God didn't create seeds and eggs, He created animals and plants. Thoughts?