Diets and gluttony

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  1. reformedbeliever

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    Ok, this is a tough subject. I am having a struggle with my weight. I love to cook and eat. I love good food. I am not one who over does it on sweets, as i'd much prefer to have what I call "good" food instead of sweets. I do not engorge myself however. I have a regular size meal. I am a rather big person, in that I have a big build. I have always been muscular. I am average height, but my weight is not what the experts say I should weigh. I'm 5'9" and I currently weigh 245lbs. I was about 260lbs before I started to go to the gym. When I go to the gym I do about 3.5mph on the treadmill for one hour. I then workout on the machines as much as I can physically do. I've had two back surgeries and face one more in the near future. I've only recently been able to do much physical exercise, as pain would not allow it. I have had 4 epidural steroid injections to the c-spine this year. Anyway..... what diets have been effective for you? I've done the Atkins diet and lost quite a bit of weight, but gained it back after going off the diet. Any good recommendations?
     
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    Lots of different diets will work. They key is it being a lifestyle change.

    Atkins has worked effectively for me.

    Good luck to ya, I know it is quite the struggle.
     
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    From many years of personal experience whenever you diet, you gain back. Being over weight is focus on food, dieting is focus on food.
    My pastor did an interesting sermon a few weeks ago. It was from, if I remember correctly, 1 Kings, I think either 15 or 17, Elijah and the 700 prophet of baal. He talked about the false idols the prophet were worshipping and in our lives how we may not bow down and worship a graven image, but what baals are we worshipping, money, pride, anger, etc. It made me think. I love the lord, and do not want any false idols in my life taking His place in any area of my life. But for most of my life, and I was taught this by my parents, food has been a false idol, my baal. everytime I want to eat more then I need I think about that, it just pops into my mind, I love my Jesus, not food.
    Loosing weight is more then the right fad diet, which always fail in the long run, even atkins from what I've read. Loosing weight for a christian is a renewing of the mind and a changing of the heart. Diets are doing spiritual battle with physical human weapons, but scripture tells us we as christians are in a spiritual battle and our weapons are not of the flesh, but of the spirit.
     
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    That's the whole key. And just as an aside just because one is overweight does not make them a glutton. I think that word has been terribly misused.
     
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    I am 6' and weigh 175 pounds. I am not allowed to gain or lose 5 pounds. I follow the diabetic "diet" where all food is served by weight for the day. I have 6 meals a day, plus two snacks. My exercise is limited to very short walks and at a slow pace. I do stand as much as possible and walk about in the house to the point of driving my wife bonkers.

    Smaller plates at the table makes a small meal look larger. Drink plenty of water. It can be done by most people. There are some people who wrestle with weight all their lives, even when they do the right things. Maybe there is some truth to "you are what your heritage bequeaths."

    Having a stroke can knock a lot of weight off quickly. I lost 90 pounds in one month when I had my first stroke. I don't recommend it, however.

    My feelings go out for those who wrestle everyday with weight problems.

    Cheers,

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    Here is the diet I am currently on. I have been on it 5 days and have lost 10 pounds so far. Hope to lose another 30.

    Basic Fat-Burning Soup
    Modified by Dr. Michael Tierra L.AC., O.M.D.
    • Ingredients:
    • 6 large green onions or large red onion
    • 1-2 cans of tomatoes
    • 1 large head of cabbage
    • 2 green peppers
    • 1 bunch celery
    • rosemary & tarragon for flavoring
    • shitake mushrooms for flavoring
    • 1 hot pepper
    • 2 or 3 cloves of chopped garlic
    • 1 4 inch piece of kombu seaweed
    • vegetable bouillon (such as Bioforce's Plantaforce)
    Spices such as rosemary, sage, thyme, tarragon or oregano can be added as desired toward the ending of cooking. Season with salt, pepper, parsley, bouillon or hot sauce, if desired. However, with the bouillon added, it probably requires little or no salt.
    Cut vegetables in small to medium pieces, sauté in olive oil & cover with water. Boil fast for 10 (ten) minutes. Cut to simmer & continue cooking until vegetables are tender. This soup can be eaten any time you are hungry. Eat as much as you want, whenever you want. This soup will not add calories. The more you eat, the more you will lose. Fill a thermos in the morning if you will be away during the day. If eaten alone for indefinite periods, you would suffer from malnutrition.
    DAY ONE: All fruits except bananas. Cantaloupe and watermelon are lower in calories than most fruits. Eat only the soup and fruits. For drinks - un-sweetened tea, cranberry juice, or water.
    DAY TWO: All vegetables. Eat until you are stuffed with all the fresh, raw or canned vegetables. Try to eat leafy vegetables and stay away from dry beans, peas and corn. Eat along with the soup. At dinner time on this day, reward yourself with a big baked potato an butter. Do not eat any fruits.
    DAY THREE: Eat all soup, fruits and vegetables you want. Do not have a baked potato. If you have eaten for three days, as above, and have not cheated, you will find you have lost 5-7 pounds.
    DAY FOUR: Bananas and skim milk. Eat as many as 3 bananas and drink as many glasses of water as you can on this day along with the soup. Bananas are high in calories and carbohydrates and so is the milk, but on this particular day your body will need the potassium and the carbohydrates, proteins and calcium to lessen your craving for sweets.
    DAY FIVE: Beef or lamb and tomatoes. Try to select high quality range fed animal protein free of antibiotics or hormones. You may have 10-20 ounces of beef or lamb and a can of tomatoes or as many as 6 fresh tomatoes on this day. Try to drink at least 6-8 glasses of water this day to wash away the uric acid in your body. Eat the soup at least once this day. You can substitute either wheat gluten (seitan) for the beef or lamb or aduki beans, chicken or fish.
    DAY SIX: Beef or lamb & vegetables. Eat to your heart's content of the beef or lamb and vegetables this day. You can have two or three steaks if you like, with green leafy vegetables, but no baked potato. Be sure and eat the soup at least once today. You can substitute either wheat gluten (seitan) for the beef or lamb or aduki beans, chicken or fish.
    DAY SEVEN: Brown rice, un-sweetened fruit and vegetables. Again, stuff yourself. Be sure to have the soup at least once today.
    By the end of the seventh day, if you have not cheated on the diet, you will have lost 10-17 pounds. If you have lost more than 15 pounds, stay off the diet for two days before resuming the diet again for day one.
    This seven-day eating plan can be used as often as you like. As a matter of fact, if correctly followed, it will clean your system of impurities and give you a feeling of well-being as never before.
    After only seven days of this process, you will begin to feel lighter by at least 10 lbs., and possibly 17. Having an abundance of energy continue this plan as long as you wish and feel the difference.
    This diet is fast, fat burning and the secret is that you will burn no more calories than you take in. It will flush your system of impurities and give you a feeling of well being. This diet does not lend itself to drinking alcoholic beverages at any time because of the removal for fat buildup in your system. Go off the diet at least 24 hours before intake of alcohol.
    Because everyone's digestive system is different, this diet will affect everyone differently. After day three, you will have more energy than when you began, if you did not cheat. After being on the diet for several days, you will find your bowel movements have changed -- eat a cup o bran or fiber. Although you can have black coffee with this diet, you may find that you don't need the caffeine after the third day.
    DEFINITE NO-NO'S - BREAD, ALCOHOL, CARBONATED DRINKS INCLUDING DIET DRINKS.
    STICK WITH WATER, UN-SWEETENED TEA, BLACK COFFEE, UN-SWEETENED FRUIT JUICES, CRANBERRY JUICE AND SKIMMED MILK.
    The basic fat-burning soup can be eaten anytime you feel hungry. Eat as much as you wish. Remember, the more you eat, the more you will lose. No fried foods or bread. You can eat broiled chicken (absolutely no skin) instead of beef. Vegetarians can use aduki or mung beans, seitan.
    Any prescribed medication will not hurt you on this diet. Continue this plan as long as you wish and feel the difference both mentally and physically. If you prefer, you can substitute broiled fish for the beef on only one of the beef days. You need high protein in the beef the other days.
    One of the best herbal formulas to use during this fast is Triphala. Take from 2 to tablets morning and midday and 4 in the evening. Instead of coffee or tea use a grain beverage. A very good fasting tea is a combination of nettles, chickweed and fennel seed which also helps in weight reduction. There are many excellent green drinks and soya protein powders that can be used to supplement as needed and replace meat.
    To keep the weight off, replace one meal a day with soup, eat more vegetables.
    This diet is derived from one given at the Sacred Heart Memorial Hospital for overweight heart patients to lose weight rapidly, usually before surgery. Modifications have been added by Dr. Michael Tierra, Acupuncturist and Herbalist.
     
  7. reformedbeliever

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    Yeah Donna, I hear what you are saying. The thing is, I am really careful what I eat. I could eat smaller portions... but I really do not overeat.

    Jim, if I ate that many meals I would not be able to get through my front door. :laugh:

    I agree. I'm part Choctaw Indian and we seem to be very efficient at storing calories.

    I agree. My ability to be as physically active as I used to be, is greatly diminished.
     
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    You got to lose the mentality of picking "a diet". You need to completly overhaul what you consider healthy food. Learn to love fruits and vegtables like thier going out of style. Drink water. Eat lean meats, dairy, and whole wheat bread . . . in moderation. Kick proccessed foods to the curb. Make Fast food once a month instead of every other day. Vegtables are low calorie, high fiber, high water content, and packed with all the nutrients that keep us kicking into old age. If people are hungry on diets, it is usually because they are just eating less of high-calorie processed foods instead of eating MORE vegtables. Trust me, you can eat a lot of carrots, celery, and broccali for same amount of calories as a single Big Mac and you get the added benefit of actually digesting nutrients. If you eat a consistent daily healthy diet, you will lose weight. There is nothing wrong with the occasional fast food or surgery drink or chips, but they really need to keep them in moderation.

    As for exercise, if your going to the gym, LIFT WEIGHTS. I will preach this til the day I die. Building muscle mass raises your metabilism, something like 8 calories per hour per pound. You will also look better, feel better, be stronger, have better posture, and be able to mow the lawn better. Cardio is good (for you heart, lungs, and to lose calories quickly) and should be included but don't just spend hours on the treadmill.
     
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    Already there. Have always loved fruit and especially veggies.

    Over a gallon a day.

    I could probably do better on the lean meats, although I do eat a lot of chicken and fish. I love ribeye steaks. I could probably improve on the moderation too.

    We do not eat out much. I love good home cooked food.

    Thank you for your great advise! Grace and peace
     
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    Three years ago I went to a dr. and was embarrassed when I weighed in at 305. When I got home I told my wife that the embarrassment was to great and the weight had to go so I began to read on the various diets and finally settled on one that would give me the greatest reulsts for a change in life style and still allow a good variety in diet. We chose to use a hypoglycemic diet. The only foods we had to give up (and not entirely) were potatoes, white breads and refined white sugars. We added sweet potatoes and brown sugar (in moderation) as substitutes. Neither one of us are hyperglycemic so the choice of diets for lifestyle change was simply a matter of shopping.

    I dropped 65 pounds in 6 months by simply removing ingredients from my diet that give a false sugar reading to the body. For instance a slice of white bread tells the body you just ate a tablespoon of sugar the body then releases enough insulin to break down a tablespoon of sugar when that sugar is not found the body stores the insulin as body fat. By removing foods that give the body false information you remove the extra insulin that causes fat.

    As a side issue I had blood pressure head aches and over time they completely went away as well as my blood pressure dropped. Here is a web page you can gather some information on.

    http://mywebpages.comcast.net/tribalsun/hypo/nutrition.html

    Thjplgvp
     
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    Stick with 5 light meals a day. Protein, fruits and greens. Watch the sugar. Excercise before you eat. Drink plenty of water.
     
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    Life style change is the key to getting and keeping weight off. This includes excercise and eating what is NATURAL or God made not man made foods.

    Use Butter instead of margerine. Butter has been proven to be better.
    Olive Oil instead of vegitable oil.
    Whole grain cereals and oatmeal instead of sugar cereals, and breads.
    Fruits, yogurts, jello, chocolate protein drinks in summer, or fruit shakes with milk instead of sweets like ice cream and cookies, cakes etc.
    Bake, broil and barbeque instead of frying and
    don't use sauces use seasonings instead.
    Use smaller portions and chew slowly. Drink a 16 oz of water before you eat to slow down cravings.

    I eat a lot of salads and only small portions but still feel if I don't excersise, I just maintain my weight since my body has gotten use to eaten well over the years. Walking 30 minutes a day alone helps keep my weight down.

    Here is the big one...I do not keep sweets or foods I have a weekness for in my house. If we do want something for desert which is maybe once or twice a week if that, we buy for that one time only. This is something that has helped a lot since me and my younger son have a weakness for sweets.
     
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    Do you mind saying how much you've lost all together Pastor?

    I find this to be a very interesting view. I will stew on this a bit. Looks like we'll be in the 6th chpt of Ephesians this week... There or Romans 7.
     
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    One tough thing about controlling weight is how inundated you get when you mention you are having trouble. Everybody thinks they know what you should do, and far too many have some 'incredible' diet or program that works beyond what you thought possible. And no one who pushes a fad diet will admit that's what it is. "Fat-burning soup?" That's nonsense. Soliciting advice is unwise.
     
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    AFIG!!! Son!! I love you like a brother in the Lord Jesus --- but

    You lost Blackbird on the seaweed thing!!!!!

    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    DIET is a four-letter word!

    Whichever diet you choose, you'd better plan on living with it the rest of your life or your weight will just come back.

    Ron: GrannyGumbo and I went on your diet only we called it the "Cabbage Soup Diet". I never got so sick of soup in my life! And we both gained the weight back when we went off of it...

    I'm having a very hard time losing weight because I can't exercise (COPD). Other than substituting Splenda for sugar and eating wheat bread instead of white bread, I am just eating smaller portions. It seems to be working for me, but it is a slow progress and I plan on eating this way forever...

    Whatever you eat, moderation is the key, folks.

    Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
    Phl 4:5
     
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    I second this...only I would make it 6 meals a day. Each meal burn calories and keeps your metabolism going. Carb and protein intake shouldn't exceed your body weight, fat shouldn't exceed 1/2 your body weight. If you are working out hard, protein should be at least your body weight.

    When I was into my bodybuilding days, and I wanted to drop weight relatively quick, I would follow a simple formula I devised: Protein = body wight, carbs = 1/2 body weight, fat = 1/4 bodyweight. Along with plenty of water (gallon at least, water metabolizes fat).

    Exercise is the key to dropping weight. 20 - 30 minutes of moderate intensity aerobic activity first thing in the morning after a couple glasses of water is most effective, as aerobics done after a fast (8 hours or more without eating) tend to tap into fat stores for energy, as opposed to glycogen your muscles have stored throughout the day. Glycogen stores are depleted first thing in the morning, so fat is the main fuel source. A cup of black coffee with splenda gives a little extra fat burning effect.

    Weight training is vital also. Each pound of muscle gained burns extra calories, and keeps your metabolism revved.

    While I'm not a biblical scholar, I was a personal trainer (American Council on Exercise), and know a little bit about this subject.
     
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    This is what I have concluded, I didn't get all this weight overnite so loosing it overnite is not my plan. I have made some permanent changes to my eating habits and try to stick to the changes the best I can. I fall down but I get up in the name of Jesus. I also learned baked chicken and turkey is not so once you get used to it.
     
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    And for those of us who, because of health concerns, cannot exercise? Are we doomed to be overweight forever?
     
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    Thanks for the formula webdog. I'll look into that. I would imagine I'm pretty close to that just eating normally. The difference is in my intake of veggies. They contain a lot of carbs.... but normally the better carbs.
    I am one who most body builders are jealous of. I inherited a body like most "body builders" try to come by. Most of it is genetics... but some of it is personal preference. For example, I do not care for sugary drinks. I much prefer water. I drink a lot of water. My main diet consists of chicken. I love to grill.... so fried foods are out. I even grill vegies. All my brothers are built the same way I am. I'm the shortest of all.... but I have to wear a 50 size jacket and have a 38 waist. I do have more belly than I'd like. That seems to come with the physical limitation and age. I've had two back surgeries and face more. With God's help, and the realization that I'm no longer as young as I used to be (50), I'll try my best to not look like a glutton in the pulpit.
     

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