Disneyland measles outbreak strikes in anti-vaccination hotbed of California

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  1. kyredneck

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    "...the measles that started at Disney has put California’s Orange County, a hotbed of the anti-immunization movement, at the center of the worst measles outbreak in the state in 15 years, with 62 confirmed cases statewide since December, according to the Los Angeles Times. Additional cases that originated in California have spread to four other states and Mexico. The total infected is up to 70, including five Disney employees who have since returned to work. About a quarter of those who got sick had to be hospitalized...."
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...kes-in-anti-vaccination-hotbed-of-california/
     
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    Knew this was going to happen when several years ago I read that a fair number of parents in California and other western states were refusing to let their kids be vaccinated. This refusal will end in tragedy for some families. I had a landlady many years ago who was blinded by measles when she was a kid. There was no vaccination at that time.
     
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    My daughter never seemed quite the same after getting measles. I do have to wonder why there aren't outbreaks like this more often near Amish communities, or maybe they don't typically announce them in smaller areas? Who knows.
     
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    I think Amish communities stick to themselves, never even seen an Amsih except on tv.

    The anti-vaccers think these vaccines cause autism and the movement is led by Hollyweird airheads such as Jenny McCarthy.
     
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    I lived in a town with a large Amish community. They're not as isolated as movies and such lead people to believe. They do what others do, restaurants, going to bars, shopping at stores.
    I don't think the anti-vax people are nuts or airheads. They're making a decision they feel is in the best interest of their child.
     
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    Please, unless you know what you are talking about just refrain from speaking.
     
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    Vaccines have saved millions of lives. I don't understand not vaccinating your children, especially at a time when it it so easy for the world to come to you.
     
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    As the measles outbreak that started at Disneyland grew to at least 70 cases Wednesday, much of the attention has focused on how the vast majority of patients were not vaccinated for the highly contagious disease.

    But some medical experts also have expressed concern about the five patients who contracted measles despite being fully vaccinated.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-measles-spread-20150122-story.html
     
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    Or your child gets them from the vaccine, like mine. They refused to call it measles though. They called it imitation measles. Seriously.
     
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    I believe you. They're not going to admit their vaccine caused it. You might have a case in court against them if you did.

    No, seems to me the government "immunized" the vaccine industry against lawsuits a while back.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vPudmvzx3I&x-yt-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534

    For those who'd rather believe the National Vaccine Information Center is a house of "nut cases and conspiracy theorists" below is an article by the Wall Street Journal.

    Vaccine Makers Enjoy Immunity

    One of the little-noticed reasons that Wyeth was attractive enough to command a $68 billion price for rival Pfizer Inc. 's planned takeover sits in a building catty-corner from the White House across Pennsylvania Avenue. That is where a special "vaccines court" hears cases brought by parents who claim their children have been harmed by routine vaccinations.

    The court -- and the law that established it more than two decades ago -- buffers Wyeth and other makers of childhood-disease vaccines from much of the litigation risk that dogs traditional pill manufacturers and is an important reason why the vaccine business has been transformed from a risky, low-profit venture in the 1970s to one of the pharmaceutical industry's most attractive product lines today.

    The legal shield, known as the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, was put into place in 1986 to encourage the development of vaccines, a mainstay of the nation's public-health policy. A spate of lawsuits against vaccine makers in the 1970s and 1980s had caused dozens of companies to get out of the low-profit business, creating a public-health scare.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123535050056344903
     
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    Fake measles is a thing. Not the technical term but symptoms are similar, red rash, fever.
     
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    Fake measles
    Roseola
    Baby Measles
    Sixth disease

    A foursome of names for the same condition.


     
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    The rashes from those are quite different. This was her having the vax and developing it a short time later. Maybe a week? It was a long time ago. She admitted it was a measles rash from the vaccine, but went on to specify nobody can get measles from it, just imitation measles and it meant it was working, that it was a dead vaccine so impossible, no report needed filed, etc..
    The whole conversation was strange.
    I suppose anything is possible. It just had every hallmark of measles, including the specific rash, and she was very sick.

    During those years, we lived in close proximity to an Amush community and people in the home traveled internationally, so I actually wanted to vaccinate. (though not when they were born as the situation was different and I didn't want it, but the state forced us) She may have ended up getting it without the shot, but I felt horrible for having allowed her to purposely get injected with it. (and angry when I found it IS a live vaccine).

    My main point is - it's rough to watch a kid have this, (or any illness) no matter how it occurs and I feel bad for those who are going through it. That fever is really scary.
     
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    I was the honorary co chair of our county health departments immunization committee for two years and our task was to educate people of the need for vaccinations. Although we did a great job ( from 1998-2000) on my watch, we were losing the war to the California elites who fought tooth and nail for the right to NOT vaccinate their kids.

    Those of us on that committee saw this day coming, and until the mindsets change, it will get worse. One of the problems going against the non vaccine group is that the politicians are not enforcing the immigration laws, which require people to be immunized and HEALTHY. That is impossible to regulate with adults and kids coming over the borders UNCHECKED. Health checks have their purpose, but we have to enforce them. Disease once eradicated in this country are being reintroduced by illegals.

    I fear this will get worse before it gets better.
     
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    So the answer is forced vaccinations then?

    I'm curious as "co chair" as part of your "education program" did you educate yourself or did you just believe the advertisements? Did you ever have anyone read the inserts that come with the vaccines? Have you ever read them?

    Just answer the questions yes or no. No need to go telling me how I'm the greatest threat to all mankind for questioning the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

    Other's here have told me that already. Repeatedly.
     
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    Anybody knows what that means, sarcastic code for Third World immigrants in this case.


    Please, unless you can actually add something to the thread just refrain from speaking. You don't know me and you don't tell me what to do.
     
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    Well Poncho, to answer your question, I relied on medical statistics and findings. And our committee did not exist to FORCE vaccines down anyone's throat .... we were there to educate, answer questions, and run immuzination fairs for the parents who wanted vaccines.

    If a parent wants to with go vaccines, they put their kids at risk, not those who are vaccinated. The vaccinated child has nothing to fear when whooping cough, measles, mumps or polio breaks out.

    You and others can do what you wish. If that is believe the negative stories about vaccines, who am I to change your mind?
     
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    I Don’t Vaccinate My Child Because It’s My Right To Decide What Eliminated Diseases Come Roaring Back

    As a mother, I put my parenting decisions above all else. Nobody knows my son better than me, and the choices I make about how to care for him are no one’s business but my own. So, when other people tell me how they think I should be raising my child, I simply can’t tolerate it. Regardless of what anyone else thinks, I fully stand behind my choices as a mom, including my choice not to vaccinate my son, because it is my fundamental right as a parent to decide which eradicated diseases come roaring back.

    The decision to cause a full-blown, multi-state pandemic of a virus that was effectively eliminated from the national population generations ago is my choice alone, and regardless of your personal convictions, that right should never be taken away from a child’s parent. Never.

    Say what you will about me, but I’ve read the information out there and weighed every option, so I am confident in my choice to revive a debilitating illness that was long ago declared dead and let it spread like wildfire from school to school, town to town, and state to state, until it reaches every corner of the country. Leaving such a momentous decision to someone you haven’t even met and who doesn’t care about your child personally—now that’s absurd!

    Maybe I choose to bring back the mumps. Or maybe it’s diphtheria. Or maybe it’s some other potentially fatal disease that can easily pass among those too young or too medically unfit to be vaccinated themselves. But whichever highly communicable and formerly wiped-out disease that I opt to resurrect with a vengeance, it is a highly personal decision that only I and my family have the liberty to make.

    The bottom line is that I’m this child’s mother, and I know what’s best. End of story. Politicians, pharmaceutical companies—they don’t know the specific circumstances that made me decide to breathe new life into a viral infection that scientists and the nation at large celebrated stamping out roughly a century ago. It seems like all they care about is following unexamined old rules, injecting chemicals into our kids, preventing ghastly illnesses that used to ravage millions and have since been erased from storming back and wreaking mass havoc on a national scale, and making a buck. Should we really be listening to them and not our own hearts?

    I am by no means telling mothers and fathers out there what to do; I’m simply standing up for every parent’s right to make his or her own decision. You may choose to follow the government-recommended immunization schedule for your child, and that’s your decision as a parent. And I might choose to unleash rubella on thousands upon thousands of helpless people, and that’s my decision as a parent.

    It’s simple: You don’t tell me how to raise my kids to avoid reviving a horrific illness that hasn’t been seen on our shores since our grandparents were children, and I won’t tell you how to raise yours.

    Look, I’ve done the research on these issues, I’ve read the statistics, and I’ve carefully considered the costs and benefits, and there’s simply no question in my mind that inciting a nationwide health emergency by unleashing a disease that can kill 20 percent or more of its victims is the right one for my child.

    People need to respect that and move on.

    http://tinyurl.com/m2fyj29
     

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