Dispensationalism and the Doctrine of Election

I really do not even know where to begin answering your post. It is almost like you have no knowledge of Biblical Hermeneutics or an inductive methodology.:tear:

God has two main elect groups:
1. Israel
2. The Church

You become one of these two elect groups conditionally.

1. You become part of elect National Israel by being born a descendant of Abraham (physical seed).
2. You become part of the elect Church by being "born again" and become a descendant of the Faith Seed of Abraham.

This is clear from Galatians chapter 3.

“6 Even as {in the same way} Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith {trust in Christ and are “born again”}, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham {Gen. 12:3}, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith {“born again” believers from all nations} are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law (The Mosaic Covenant was a suzerain-vassal agreement, meaning it was a bilateral and conditional covenant between God and Israel and, therefore, was a covenant of “works,” unlike the Abrahamic Covenant, which was an unconditional covenant given “by grace” and received “through faith.”} are under the curse {in the sense of being opposite of God’s conditional blessing; this is not referring to the curse of Hell.}: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them {the Mosaic Covenant was a “blessing and a curse” covenant; Deut. 11:26-32 compared with Deut. 29:1 through 30:20}. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident {keeping the conditions of the Mosaic Covenant could not save anyone; this Covenant was not about salvation even though Apostate Israel had made it to be}: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law {the Mosaic Covenant} is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the {unconditional} blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit (being “born again” or regenerated} through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ {the promises of the Abrahamic Covenant were actually made to Christ and all those expressing faith in the Promised One; i.e., Christ}. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed {Messiah} should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:6-29).


If you look carefully at Gal. 3:19, you will see that the Abrahamic Covenant is actually a covenant with Messiah. You just have to read the text without your Covenant Theology eisegetical glasses on.

When you make a statement accusing me of being a "hyper-dispensationalist," you merely expose your own ignorance of what that is.

I have at least studied Calvinism, Arminianism, and Covenant Theology to know what they believe. You obviously really do not have a clue of what dispensationalism is.:BangHead:

 

Obviously you have not read any of the 13 chapters that I have put up.

All your questions and incorrect inferences are answered in the articles.

No one is elected to be saved. Election is vocation.

If you do not want to read all the articles, start here:
http://www.disciplemakerministries.org/Pages/Dispensationalism/ElectionDefined.htm

 

You are correct Amy.

Just as all of are dead in the first Adam, all who repent of sin, believe the gospel and, and call on the Lord Jesus to save them are alive "by grace through faith" in the Last Adam, Jesus.

Elect In Christ is what the chapter below is about:
http://www.disciplemakerministries.org/Pages/Dispensationalism/Elect.htm

 

Brother J.D.,

This is a simple text to explain. The salvation in II Thess. 2:13 is not referring to salvation from Hell. Salvation here is referring to salvation to glory (glorification). All believers are chosen to this salvation.

“But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: . .” (II Thessalonians 2:13).

The context of II Thessalonians chapter two is the confrontation of the heresy that the resurrection (Rapture) had already taken place. This deceived the believers into thinking they had missed the rapture and the persecution they were suffering was part of God’s judgment upon the Christ rejecting nations of the world. Paul is reassuring them that this is not the case. This is why verse 14 is important:

"Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."

The statements of Paul in II Thessalonians are an extension of his previous epistle to the Thessalonians regarding this same subject.

“6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost: 7 So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia. 8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God–ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing. 9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come” (I Thessalonians 1:6-10).

II Thess. 2:13-14 is similar to what Paul taught in Romans[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot] 8:26-30.

See this Chapter:
[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]http://www.disciplemakerministries.org/Pages/Dispensationalism/Ordo.htm

God bless!

 

It is like Romans 8:29-30. Lost people are not being predestined to salvation. Saved people are being predestined to glorification. All believers are chosen to this end. No one is elected to be saved. All the saved become elect "in Christ.

Read chapter 13:
http://www.disciplemakerministries.org/Pages/Dispensationalism/Understanding.htm

 

The filling of the Spirit is not the same as the indwelling of the Spirit. Clearly Christ was making a distinction between what the Spirit of God did in the Old Covenant and what He would do in the New Covenant when he said, "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you {now in the Old Covenant), and shall be in you {after Pentecost in the New Covenant}" (John 14:17).


The verses you refer to above are referring to what the OT calls annointing with the Spirit. This annointing was the supernatrural enabling of individuals for vocational purposes, prophets, priests, kings, craftsmen, and etc.

 

I did not say that there wasn't regeneration in the OT. I said regeneration is positional. After Pentecost, regeneration is actual.

Those filled with the Spirit (annointed) in the OT were positionally regenerated people (believers) enabled for the VOCATIONS God called them to do.

This is similar to the imputation of righteousness (Rom. 4:3; positional justification) in the OT and the impartation of righteousness (II Peter 1:4; actual justification) in the NT.

No one can come to repentance or faith unless God draws them (John 6:44). Scriptures tells us God is drawing ALL men to Himself (John 12:32) except for those He has given over to a reprobate mind (Rom. 1:28).

Faithfulness is a choice, although no one can be truly faithful apart from the Spirit of God's enablement.

Salvation is not dependent upon faithfulness. That is why God promises rewards for faithfulness.

 

I did not say what you have quoted me as having said.

God must intervene in anyone's life before anyone can be saved. The point is that God is intervening in different ways in everyone's life (drawing all men).
This fact does not make election necessary to salvation. It makes salvation necessary to God's vocational election. God's vocation election is based upon God's foreknowledge of a salvation decision. Although God did vocationally elect some people according to foreknowledge of reprobation to be vessels of dishonor (Pharaoh and Judas for instance).

No one is born reprobate. Everyone is born "dead in trespasses and sin," but not reprobate. Reprobation is the result of continued unbelief (Rom. 1:19-32) and the rejection of the ministry of the Holy Spirit in His pre-salvation work (Heb. 6:1-8).

I would recommend you read chapters 14-17 in my series on Romans (they are short chapters of about three pages each).
http://www.disciplemakerministries.org/Pages/RomansCommentary.htm