Do Aliens exist?

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  1. John3v36

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    Do aliens exist?

    Moreover, would it be significant one way or the other as far as the Bible goes?
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    "Do aliens exist?" No, but it would be a good excuse for all that don't believe in Pre-trib...if left behind.

    Just someting to think about... ;)

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    I wouldn't rule it out. And if they do, God loves them too. I would think He has a plan for them, although it may be different than ours. When the Bible says "to the uttermost parts of the earth," I wonder if the words in the Greek really mean "earth," or do they mean "universe?" It would be interesting to know. Since the folks back then had no idea of the possibility of actual life on other planets, it's hard to tell.

    Another interesting point is tht some of the events of the end times seem to be major, universe-wide kinds of events - new heaven, new earth. That idea colors the discussion as well.

    I wonder if anyone's done a study looking at all the references to earth and universe and such in scripture, to see what we might infer?
     
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    Since any living thing with intelligence not existing on earth is considered an alien, yes I believe. [​IMG]
    You'd THINK it would be even easier for Christians to believe in other forms of life than it is...
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    Yes. My taylor is from Korea, and she's not a citizen yet. [​IMG]

    However, if you're referring to sentient life forms on a planet besides the earth, if the chances were one in a billion, there statistlcally might be a few. But the fact of the matter is, we dunno, and there's no evidence to suggest one way or another.
    No, not at all. It would neither shake my faith nor bolster it.
     
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    First of all, we just don't know.

    Second, it appears that conditions for life on earth would actually be rarely duplicated elsewhere in the universe.

    Third, "rarely" does not mean "never". Even "rarely" would mean there are a lot of worlds out there with life on them.

    Now about scriptures.

    What about the "sons of God" that appear in the opening verses of Job? Satan was among them. Satan said he came from the earth. Where did the OTHERS come from, do you suppose?

    What about the visions of Isaiah, when he saw the seraphim, which had six wings? With two they hide their faces, with two they hide their feet, with two they fly.

    CONFIDENTIAL REPORT ON THE SERAPHIM: In their home planet, they typically fly with both the large, main flight wings and the smaller steering wings fore and aft. But they have world wide national stunt flying contests, and the best of them can fly well with the steering wings folded. These are selected for guarding the throne of God during special events, which Isaiah was priveledged to witness via vision.
     
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    "Sons of God" in the OT often has several different meanings in the OT. Most often, it means other believers. In OT speak, we'd be called sons of God (However, as NT Christians, we generally don't use that term since it is used to describe Jesus in the NT).
     
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    It has been said, '(However, as NT Christians, we generally don't use that term since it is used
    to describe Jesus in the NT).

    In I John 3:2 Jesus uses this term via John to describe our standing in relationship to Almighty God. Human beings who get saved, [John 1:12] become ' . . . the sons of God.' Notice we don't become sons of God if we pass the bar at the judgment; presently we are His people, or in John the Apostle's words, 'Beloved, NOW are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we KNOW that, when He shall appear, [I Thess. 4:17] we shall be like Him {Jesus} because we will see Him as He is.'
     
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    I agree with Gina.

    Oddly enough I am in agreement with Paul on this one. (At least with much of what he said).

    Angels are aliens. But that means the bad ones are also aliens. And they are here. And they are real -- bad.

    Paul's example of Job 1 - was perfect. Satan came among them representing the earth to that council. No human sat there being told that Job was righteous among men. It was non-human, non-earth beings with Satan representing earth. (Thanks Adam, Thanks Eve).

    --- I guess nobody told them that the fall of man was just a fairytale, that Adam and Eve were not "really" representative of all humans since they never really existed and and that this world was "created" with sin, death and carnage to begin with - nothing to "fall from".

    (But that is another thread)

    In any case - Saraphim are a good example of what is not "native" to North Carolina - or even to our solar system.

    In Christ,

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    The Prophet Ezekiel speaks of 'living creatures' [1:15, 10:9-12, 13] Perhaps these spiritual beings are cherubim or the craft that they fly in that people see throughout the world. These wheels/flying UFO's could be one in the same, like at Roswell. Notice in 10:12 'the wheels, were full of eyes round about . . . ' The flying craft that elude our fighter jets are allegedly said to have lights all the way around the flying sphere.

    Know one knows for sure; this is only my guess. Either way, the Lord God knows what they are, if they are in fact real in our atmosphere.
     
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    The surest sign that intelligent life exists on other planets is that they haven't tried to contact us!
     
  12. BobRyan

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    The most blatant example we have - is Christ. He spoke of Angels and admitted that both the good one and the bad one are here. He also admitted that HE was not from here.

    In Rev 12 "Woe to the earth for the devil and his angels have come down to you".

    We are indeed - the native Indians blissfully ignornant in our own homeland unnaware of the advanced race now living among us.

    I have no doubt that God also created other worlds - with other people (not angels, not human).

    But like the angels cast down here - we are fallen.

    In Christ,

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    They're typically natural phenomena or mistaken space or aircraft.

    That's reminiscent of something from the mouth of Erik Von Daniken, who has sicne been debunked as a fraud.
    It's a big leap from something not being identified to saying the wheel Exeliel saw was a Ferengi or some such notion.
     
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    Legal or illegal? [​IMG] (Sorry, but that was too hard to resist.)
    No, not as far as flying saucers and weird looking big eyed things goes, I don't belive it. BTW, the word alien....don't it mean, not know to us? Like UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object? Most UFO's are identified sooner or later.

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    If you think UFO sightings have the same degree of "evidence" as sightings of Elvis - you are not keeping up.

    We have military pilot records - we have radar (both ground and air confirming the same target) we have groups of people seeing and videoing at the same time AND we have government authorities in charge of investigating these reports - that retire and then confess that they lied to the public as part of their required duties.

    We have nothing like that for "Elvis sightings".

    My point is not that I think little green men are showing up from planet Zercon. My point is that to discount these sightings is equally as misguided as those who say there is no such thing as ghosts so the supernatural events people report can't possibly be real.

    Though we have no green men here and no ghosts - it is still wrong to suppose that "all" the events being witnessed fit into the "normal atmospheric disturbance" hogwash.

    In Christ,

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    But to be fair, we also have secretive governments that keep developing new, secret things they don't let us know about. As in next generation high performance airplanes. Surely they account for some of the mystery sightings.
     
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    I was not born as an alien but 41 years ago I became an alien when I was born again and no longer of this world yet in it. I am enjoying passing through but I am looking for a city whose builder and maker is God.
     
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    Might as well ask, "Do tree fairies exist?"

    Anything is possible. Some are much less probable. I think the possibility that we have been visited is VERY low. These things are just so very interesting to speculate on! Seriously, if we never find evidence of life anywhere else, that would be OK (maybe a 'little' disappointing). If we ever do find life elsewhere, it (they?) would just be more examples of God's amazing creatures and creativity - though it would really be a drag if they wanted to eat our brains! :eek:
     
  19. BobRyan

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    No doubt they do account for some sightings - as do meteors and atmospheric conditions.

    But then there are the "rest" of the sightings. And here - the government, the eye witnesses and the videos/photos/radar images all seem to agree. It is beyond our science and beyond our ability to research.

    The COMETA group basically hammered our US Government for treating the subject as they do - given the plethora of evidence to the contrary.

    However - that aside - as Christians we conceded the point thousands of years ago. We already believe in Angels present on earth.

    In Christ,

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    The "challenge" to Christianity (if Satan ever decides to us the alien story hs he has used the myths of evolutionism) will be in the form of "sick" and "dying" Aliens. Or Both good and bad aliens or aliens that do not have THE "Christian Gospel" message - but rather a tale of evolutionism.

    Christians have a story for the fall of mankind - but not the fall of other worlds and not the salvation of other worlds.

    We have a perfectly good explanation for our own aliens - Angels visiting here all the time. (Both good and bad ones). We even have them taking on various "forms". Clearly we are at a dissadvantage when it comes to "guessing about them".

    In the context - how do you really "know what you are seeing" when an alien shows up?

    What do you think stops Satan from putting on a "really great show" complete with a story about "aliens"?

    In Christ,

    Bob
     

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