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Having a sin nature does not equate to spiritual death. We still have sin natures and are not spiritually dead. Death is a condition. Physical death also does not mean we are spiritually dead. Christ died spiritually, yet he was never spiritually dead. The only cure is by grace through faith. That is why I asked you how a fetus or infant is saved from this condition. Still waiting on an answer.

 

Awaken, you are wrong on romans 5, 7 because you are wrong in what you conclude here.
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.



Adam ate of the tree....the text says..IN THE DAY THOU EATEST...thou shalt surely die.

Adam ate and immeadiately died spiritually...physical death followed as a consequence. he did not physically die that day.....

 

The wording of the confession on this is perfect and cannot be improved upon.
It leaves the amount of saved persons where it is anyway...In God's hand.

It is a fixed number, exactly fixed by God according to His covenant mercy. What we believe or feel has nothing to do with the reality of what God has purposed to do.

Hey QF.....I have something that will feed your inner math nerd:laugh::laugh::laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz5lGkDdk78

 

Not entirely accurate....the Bible does not suggest that Physical Death followed automatically from or as a consequence of his "Spiritual" Death....He did INDEED die, (Spiritually) that very day...but this passage works against your reformed assumptions, because your Calvinism rests too heavily upon an equivocation between the details of Spiritual Death and Physical Death. As soon as you begin to give room to make distinctions...then much of your Calvinism begins to lose its foundation....God had to remove man from the garden lest:

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

God had already cursed the ground (see verse 17) ......cursed [is] the ground

Thus, physical entropy....but THAT is what caused his "physical" death...and, had Adam eaten of the "tree of life" then it would have negated those effects...Man did NOT die "physically" that day, nor WOULD HE, merely because of his status as being Spiritually dead. The one simply did not cause the other. That is not Scriptural...God had to ensure the physical death of a Spiritually dead person.....and he did so, for man's OWN sake: see verse 17 again:
..cursed [is] the ground for thy sake;

A spiritually dead being, being permitted to live forever, and becoming increasingly more depraved and corrupt would have abominably horrific consequences.

 

Whoa there! Do you have some kind of “special evidence” that I should know of that God approved of these men’s words (philosophy)? Because until then I strongly advise you to heed to these words: “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” (Col 2:8)

 

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Calvin.” (Col 2:8)

 

And...re-iterrated by Plain and Simple....

Icon has finally admitted the truth....Calvinist Theologians are inspired...as though it wasn't patently obvious to us all....that "confessions" are synonymous with all inspired Scripture.....Obey the catechism....Obey the decrees of His Holiness......da Baptist Popa'

As the Word obviously says, in no uncertain terms:
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against Calvin, Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?

Bow down to the 1689 "Confession"..."Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated"............. "The Borg"

 

Surprised you are not aware of them since you quoted many of them!

1) We are condemned for unbelief - John 3:18.

2) We are conceived in iniquity which means in a separated from God state. Psalm 51:5 and Isaiah 59:2. These do not prove my view but certainly are consistent with it. Certainly we cannot be conceived "in Christ" and therefore alive if we are conceived in iniquity. That is a logical necessity.

3) Romans 7:8-11 demonstrates the opposite of your claims. The metaphor of death is used non-contextually in your presentation.

a. Sin is dead apart from the Law. This means the sin of transgression of the Law is null and void apart from the Law. But before the Law was given, death reigned, so another type of sin, of missing the mark did carry the wages of sin, Romans 5:14. Everyone is under sin, both those under the Law and those apart from the Law, Romans 3:9.

b. We are made alive together with Christ, i.e. when we are "in Christ." Ephesians 2:5 By logical necessity we were dead before being made alive, therefore until we are placed spiritually in Christ we are dead, even if we are unaware that we are dead.

c. So in verse 9 where Paul was "alive" apart from the Law, that indicates that the sin of transgressing the Law had no effect, but does not eliminate the death sentence of being under sin apart from the Law.​

 

This kind of answer looks like you are not serious at all about truth.God uses a 24 hour day/night cycle.....this post in non responsive and you are avoiding the discussion.

 

Judging by this imbecilic post....sorry to see you are unable[or unwilling] to deal with the truth of God.Your despising and opposing godly men,and making a caricature out of what they write, mocking and scoffing as you go, will just not get it done.

The fact is....and it is a fact...you or anyone else on here cannot improve upon that statement which is solidly rooted in the 66 books of scripture:thumbs::thumbs:

 

Benjamin,

So good to hear from you again:wavey: Yes...the special evidence is the 66 books of the bible that these theologians use to present a biblical and christian view, which unlike the secular model of carnal philosophy....starts with God,and not the failed ideas of human wisdom...which you ironically quote the correct verse about.
Those who wrote the confession of faith would appeal to this very verse to show the contrast that exists...I am sure that you know this from the section dealing with Holy Scripture;in case you do not have your copy right next to you...i will post this to remind you:wavey:

 

These “theologians” have no special prophetic insight that goes to prove special evidence of correct interpretations and/or philosophical accuracy.

Again, “Do you have some kind of “special evidence” that I should know of that God approved of these men’s words (philosophy)?”

These theologian’s “ideas” are either through human wisdom and reasoning to interpret or as you put it their words are “Iconoclast: “The wording of the confession on this is perfect and cannot be improved upon.” as to your common suggestion here on this board that the confession is an infallible divinely inspired prophetic revelation to "the church", …to claim the latter clearly leads straight into heresy, cultism and is in violation of board rules and principles.

The verse I quoted plainly and clearly warns about what you are doing here with the philosophy of these men.

Then they would be warning against your inability to recognize that there is indeed a contrast between their words, traditions and human philosophical interpretations and that of the Words of Scripture.

If you think their statement and use of scripture gives “special evidence” that the truth has been inspirationally revealed to them, they being “The Church”, which I know you do, you are sadly mistaken. BTW, I’ve previously looked up your church's beliefs in this matter of professing the 1689 Confessions and frankly consider such practice as closely bordering on and resembling being a cultic exercise to conform others to their interpretations. So I am not interested in your “reminder” of what I must believe.

 

Benjamin,

Where did I say this again??? I do not remember that.You are not trying to misrepresent me,are you?
here is the website:
http://www.arbca.com...for you. there are many churches.....
here is one heading up evangelism....take a listen
http://www.heritage-rbc.com/default.html

 

Does the church you attend have a website Icon?

 

Infallible = perfect and cannot be improved upon. I rest my case.

 

The statement I quoted is////perfect...in the bible perfect means complete.It is biblically accurate...you cannot dispute it without denying God's elective decree .

You have no case