Do either jews or Muslims Worship same God as Chrsitians?

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Either, neither?
     
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    Neither as they both deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. Simple!! Next....
     
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    There only is one God.
     
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    Both say they worship the same God Abraham worshiped.
     
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    There is only one God the giver of life. So we all worship the same God even if we wrongly worship him

    Let's brake down basic comparative religion
    Religions of abraham
    Judism
    Jesus was a prophet but not God and there is one god

    Islam
    Jesus was a prophet but not god and there is one god

    Christianity
    Jesus is part of the one true triune god


    Non abrahmic Christianity
    Church or latter day saints,
    Jesus is one of many Gods and a man can become god

    Jehovah whiteness
    Jesus is one of many gods equal to the archangel michael


    Hinduism
    Very diverse can be mono or poly god oriented
    Jesus is one of the. 125 advatars

    Buduism
    Jesus was a wise man
     
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    They might both claim it, but the jews do worship the same God as the father of jesus, but they on the whole deny yeshua as their messiah!

    On the other hand, the God of the Muslims NOT same as jewish/Christian, as Allah is really satan under different name!
     
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    The God of the jews is SAME as the Christian One, just they refuse to accept yeshua as their messiah!

    Muslims worship false god and also deny jesus as messiah!
     
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    I think you need to study Judaism. For instance their call to prayer or prayer which is found in Dueteronomy says "Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad." God is a unity. Christians believe this but we hold that God is a Tri-Unity. Or specifically the doctrine of the Trinity.
    This brings into question the very nature of God. Denying the Trinity in essense then the Jews Deny the very Nature and Substance of God as the Christian views God. Thus are we not looking at two different Gods? In this sense then you must either hold that Muslims and Jews alike worship a different God than Christians or hold that both have an inadiquate view of God than the Christian. You can't have one oneway and the other another way.
     
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    Did the father of yeshua establish Isreal in a covenant relationship? yes, thru the Old Covenant

    Did Jesus say that the One they cakll their God was his father? Yes, as he said they rightly call Him as their God, but refused to obey God and receive yeshua as His Son , the messiah!

    jews have same God as we do, just refusing to accept yeshua!
     
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    Yes, He did just as he does now (thorugh baptism). However, do jews believe in the very nature of God that he has revealed about himself? The fact that he is a trinity? And if they deny the trinity don't they deny the very nature of God? Thus they believe in a different God?

    More than that they don't see the son as being God of the same substance of God now do they? No they don't. Thus not only do they not see Yeshua Hamachiach as the Annointed One. They don't see their God!

    They are refusing more than just accepting Jesus they refuse to know God as God has revealed everything about himself in Yeshua. By rejecting Jesus they rejected God himself as can be seen in their authoritative literature and their canon of the OT they determined at Jamnia in 70 AD which got rid of all referrences to Messiah that could point to Jesus. Even translated Isaiah to mean young girl rather than virgin. If the NT says that any doctrine that ignores the gospel about Jesus; whom he is and what he did for us in anti-christ then the Jews also are anti-christ as are the muslims and niether can be seen to be greater than the other doctrinally.

    The only thing similiar between Judaism and Chritianity is that we both believe there is one God. Islam has this same belief.

    So either both Jews and Moslems worship another God or they have the same God. You can't have it both ways to support your predujice against muslims.
     
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    jesus said salvation is of the Jews, that the jews God was God, His father...

    Muslims worship a god that sent Mohammed false doctrines, so MUST have been from satan!

    And is real prejuduce is to assume Allah is Yahweh under another name, and neglect preaching to Muslims they have a false god, and need the real One jesus!
     
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    Do the Jews recognize that God is the Father of Jesus differently than he is the father of us all?

    Or more likely was Mohammed influenced by Jews, Christians, and Arians who lived in his area?

    Or is it real predujice to seperate a group of people who worship a God whom was preached to them by Christian and Jews whom Mohammed then made his own faith system around apart from the revelation of God. When the Jews have formed their opinion about the nature of God ignoring that Jesus too is a revelation of God thus apart from the revelation of God?
     
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    'The Jewish Foundation of Islam' (1933) by Charles Cutler Torrey

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    “Unquestionably the first impression gained by a reader of the quran Koran is that Muhammad Mohammed had received the material of his new faith and practice mainly from the Jews of the Hijaz. On almost every page are encountered either episodes of Hebrew history, or familiar Jewish legends, or details of rabbinical law or usage, or arguments which say in effect that Islam is the faith of Abraham and Moses.....”

    “These facts, if taken by themselves, would obviously indicate that the Arabian prophet's religious education had been thoroughly Jewish.....”

    “'This quran quranic Koranic teaching is Gnostic,' or 'This is Manichaean'-in our dense ignorance of the type of Christianity that was known in the Hijaz, and especially, the type of Judaism that was actually present in Mekka in muhammad Mohammed's time, and from which we know him to have derived such a very large proportion of what we find in the quran Koran......”

    “....there is no clear evidence that muhammad Mohammed had ever received instruction from a Christian teacher, while many facts testify emphatically to the contrary; and that, on the other hand, the evidence that he gained his Christian material either from Jews in Mekka, or from what was well known and handed about in the Arabian cities, is clear, consistent, and convincing....”

    “...The fact of the Israelite city of Khaibar, "the richest city of the Hijaz," is one very significant item among many. Such a civilization is not produced in a short time. Native Arab tribes "converted" in the manner supposed would have been certain, we should imagine, to welcome and accept the prophet of their own number who promised them a truly Arabian continuation of Judaism adapted to their own special needs, while based squarely on the Hebrew scriptures. But the Jews of Mekka, Medina, and the rest of the Hijaz knew better, and would not yield an inch....I have thus far been speaking mainly of the great number of Arabs professing the Israelite faith, in muhammad Mohammed's time.....”

    “....The quran Koran repeatedly speaks of "the children of Israel" as the most favored people on earth-up to the time of Islam; and in addressing them the prophet always reminds them that they know their scriptures.....”

    “Far more important, however, is the testimony contained in the quran Koran. The Israelite tribes with their rabbis, their books, sacred and secular, their community of faith and action, and their living contact with the past, are there; they are no phantom. All through the quran Koran there is evidence of a Jewish culture, which muhammad Mohammed greatly admired, and of Jewish learning, which he very imperfectly assimilated.”
     
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    You have to accept the truth that islam is false from the start, as the "prophet" received false teachings from messaenger of the devil, so the best thing for church to do is that we all realise that it is a false religion, from false god, and that we need to proclaim among them the true god and his Son yeshua!
     
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    I believe Joseph Smith and Mohammad were both influenced by Christians and Jews. Joseph Smith is really out in left feild and so is Mohammed however Mohammad models his God after the Jewish God whereas Joseph Smith created a new God who was a man. Big difference. Jews deny the nature of God because they reject the Trinity and Jesus Christ. So both Mohammad and the Jews have the wrong Idea about God. So either you accept both believe in God or both don't. Its up to you.
     
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    Again, the jews were under the Old Covenant with the real God, the God they pray to and read about in the Torah IS the father of jesus!

    They have right God, but refuse to see jesus as Messiah yet...

    Muslims NEVER had the right God! Allah Not God, but God of judaism IS the God of the Bible!
     
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    Covenant is how God relates to man. The New Covenant is the Covenant God wants to have with man. The old Covenant is not applicable apart from the New Covenant. The Jews have turned away from the covenant of God.

    Not only do they deny the messiah. They deny the very nature of God. God is a trinity. Jews do not believe God is a trinity.

    Mohammed was influenced by Jews and Christians who preached the right God (well at least the Christians) Mohammad preached this same God but re-worked God's revelation to match his ideas.

    The Jews reject the revelation of God that he is a Trinity and that Jesus is God and that this same God is their messiah.

    The Muslims reject the revelation of God as well regarding Jesus as God and the Trinity. So whats the real difference? None. Your only argument is that at one time the Covenant of the Jews was how God dealt with man. Muslims therefore fell under the Noahide Covenant which God niether wants man to come by the Old covenant of the law or the Noahide Covenant of its requirement. God wants all men to come to him in the New Covenant.

    So again. You accept that both Jews and Muslims have a god of their own making or not. Again its up to you.
     
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    God said that he would make an evelasting covenant beyween him and the jewish peoples, that will one day be complted when yeshua returns and all livng jews are saved at that time...

    God of the jews is the God of Christians....
    NOT the one of the Muslim faith!
     
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    Didn't Jesus already come? And aren't the Jews going to become Christians? And aren't we all saved by the redeeming work of the Cross? Or are you suggesting that Jews will be saved by following the law and virtue of their circumcision?

    Nope the God of the Christians is the only God. The Jews need to come in line with Christians

    Islam basis its God on the God of the Jews.
     
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    not true! Mohammed took some jumbled OT/NT understandings, and received further 'doctrines" from a demon!
     

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