Do Sinners go to hell due to rejection of Christ/Or Their Sin Natures?

If I may tweak your analogy just a bit to illustrate my point: Suppose you have to pay a huge fine you CANT pay so you are about to have to go to jail instead, but the judge's son pays the fine for you, so that NOTHING is owed, its paid in full. The judge looks to you and says, "Your debt has been paid, if you will simply apologize for your crime and thank my son for his provision, you can go." Either you graciously accept the offer and confess, or in rebellion you curse the judge and go to prison.

NOW... Why did you go to prison? Was it because of your debt? NO. The debt was paid in full. It was ONLY because of your refusal to met the provision put in by the judge...to repent. "They could not enter because of their unbelief."

 

The only problem with that view is that God has equally determined "what we want," by choosing to judge mankind for the sin of Adam by making us all born totally unable to willingly repent even in the face of God's appeal to be reconciled. That is biblically unfounded IMO.

 

Well said!

 

The question being debated is this: Which act of sin condemns a man, and which one saves him?

The noncalvinists are saying that all men are already saved from their sins, and all they need is one act of righteousness, that of "accepting," to complete the process. This basically means that one is saved by his own work of righteousness, and the only thing Christ accomplished on the Cross was a levelling the playing field.

What a small, small view of the work of Christ—comtemptuous really. To say that Christ did not atone for an individual, but for an environment.

That is not the Gospel.

[Edited: the question should read: Which act of sin condemns a man, and which act of righteousness saves him?]

 

Wrongly said!

Many have lived and died without hearing about Jesus. they are rightly and justly judged by God for their sins.

This is bible 101;
1]without Christ

2]aliens fromthe commonwealth of Israel

3]strangers from the covenants of promise

4] having no hope

5] and without God in the world

There will be no sin in heaven
All sinned and died in Adam
sinners who live long enough sin by experience also

 

Maybe they slipped through a crack because the following did not take place.

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Part of the new covenant.

 

The problem may be less noticeable because it offends less of the biblical evidence, but the issue isn't avoided. Even if the Calvinist believes that the atonement is provided for and "genuinely" offered to all (even the non-elect), it doesn't remove the problem that God, by HIS own choice, judged all mankind to be born as enemies of God due to Adam's sin and totally unable to willingly repent in the face of God's "genuine" appeal to be reconciled.

1. How can that appeal be genuine?
2. How can the non-elect be held accountable for their divinely decreed response to that appeal?

 

Can you say with certainty that all those who didn't hear about Jesus are condemned to Hell?

Did Rahab know of Jesus? Yet, was she not justified by faith?

The question regarding those who have never heard is another subject all together. It has been addressed before, but here is a link to an article that does a very good job describing a "non-Calvinistic" answer to this question...HERE>

 

I have no idea what you are asking. Sorry, but sometimes you leave out subjects, verbs or other key components for proper sentence structure making it a bit difficult to follow. The link I provided should answer your question regarding what we believe regarding those who don't hear the gospel. I hope that helps.

 

Yes, I believe God's wrath was appeased once and for all, thus providing the means by which every individual might be reconciled to Him.

Assuming I understand you correctly, yes, this is what I believe.

 

No, even then it would still be because of your crime. Otherwise you wouldn't be in that situation if you think about it. Jesus paid the debt as the son paid your debt. Jesus debt is applied to our accounts if we believe as the sons payment is applied to our accounts if he repents. Otherwise, Jesus didn't pay for all our sins(unbelief). If Jesus paid for the sins of unbelief and its applied, then we don't have to pay for it. That's why I said the primary reason people go to hell is because of their sin. The secondary reason is because of their unbelief.

 

Not if the debt was paid for the crime. If the fine had been paid then the only thing keeping you from freedom is the PROVISION placed by the judge.

Sure, if I'd never committed the crime then there wouldn't have been a need for the son to pay the fine, so in that regard, yes, the cause for the son having to pay that price and for me being in front of the judge is caused by my crime, but once the fine has been paid then the ONLY thing that stands in the way of being set free is meeting the provision set by the judge.

 

but you still have a person going to hell because of a sin(unbelief) which was paid for on the cross. So if Jesus paid for our sins(all of them) and they are applied to our accounts, then there is nothing more. If I don't have belief, that was still paid for. That's why I say that if a person doesn't believe, then the atonement doesn't apply to them. They don't believe. They must now pay for their sins.

 

skan

All OT saints knew of the promised seed.....the name was revealed after they left their bodies.....they know Him and His name now.

 

Sinners go to hell because they willfuly rejected Christ.

From the scriptures...

And then, from a few posts later...

According to the scriptures, all men..without exception..recieve "light" that they can heed and be saved. Since millions of people never heard the gosple of Jesus Christ in thier lifetime, they are...according to the scriptures... still given "Light" that they can accept and be saved, or reject and be lost.

It will be Jesus they are rejecting, since in the scriptures He is referred to as the "'Light' of the world".

Is our God not amazingly wonderful!:thumbs:

Hope this helps.

AiC

 

If we apply your argument to our analogy it would be like saying the judge's son paid the fine for you not apologizing and thanking him too, so you should be released regardless of your response, which is not accurate. The son didn't pay to cover the provision placed by the judge, he only paid for the debt of the crime. If you don't apologize then you won't be set free...that is why it is "provisional."

Same is true of the biblical account of provisional atonement. Rejecting Christ unto death is a rejection of the provision of God and is not covered by the cross. (many scholars equate denial of the HS wrought gospel is the unforgivable sin mentioned by Christ)