Do you believe Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled in 1948?

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  1. Thermodynamics

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    In 1948 the nation of Israel was re-formed almost 2000 years after is was crushed by Rome. There is no other example in history of a nation being wiped off the face of the earth and having it's people scattered all over the globe and then re-establishing their nation later.
     
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    What does that have to do with Eze. 37? Who says modern Israel has anything to do with Old Covenant Israel?
     
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    I'll mark you down as a "no." :laugh:
     
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    Let me ask you this Grasshopper: Do you believe the Battle of Gog & Magog has already taken place?
     
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    Put me down for a "no" also. Israel of the Old Covenant will never exist again. Not only that, but the passage speaks of a resurrection. If you're taking it literaly, it has to happen at the resurrection. That didn't happen in 1948.
     
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    Well then JD, do you believe the Battle of Gog & Magog has already taken place?
     
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    No. This chapter is dealing with them specifically after the Great Tribulation and references their sufferings prior to. But it is dealing with God bringing all the Jews back to their land which He promised He would do. Right now that has not happened. Yes, they have a their nation but many are still not there and many still fear to go there but still support it from abroad. Thus ther is no peace which is spoken of here and as JD pointed out there has been no resurrection.
     
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    I am currently undecided as to whether it is a past event or an ideal or both, but I do not believe it is future.
     
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    Obviously.

    http://www.americanvision.org/article/the-magog-invasion/

    If Ezekiel is not describing a war fought 2500 years removed from his own day, then what’s it all about. It’s obvious that Ezekiel is describing an ancient battle fought with ancient weapons against an ancient foe. The prophecy has been fulfilled. The only event in history that can be its fulfillment is the events of Esther where God’s people are rescued from Haman who “sought to destroy all the Jews, the people of Mordecai, who were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus . . . to destroy, to kill, and to annihilate all the Jews, both young and old, women and children, in one day, the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month Adar, and to seize their possessions as plunder” (Esther 3:6, 13; cp. Ps. 83:4) and failed (9:1).[10]



    So is it your opinion this verse was fulfilled in 1948?

    Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

    Does this describe modern Israel?
     
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    Well, I believe Ezekiel 38:16 refutes that position.

    "And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes."
     
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    No and no and no! 10+ characters
     
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    No, I do not.
     
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    Let me think about it...
     
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    I believe that the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37 is in the process of being fulfilled. God is not the God of all the Jews yet. It won't be entirely fulfilled until we enter the thousand year reign. Those bones have not had there flesh put back on them and won't until the resurrection.
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    Well said in my humble opinion.
     
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    You do mean the mythical 1000 year reign of Revelation 20, don't you?

    Cheers,

    Jim

    This is where it is quite interesting to read commentaries written before the New Israel was established in 1947-48. A far different outlook. They generally relate to the resurrection where Jew and Gentile are gathered as one under Messiah................nothing to do with a physical, political restoration of the nation.
     
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    Not mythical at all and in fact is more biblical than to assume there wont be especially in light of church history (though that should not specifically determine what one holds). If the disciples of Jesus themselves believed in the 1000 year reign and taught it to those who followed their teachings and they did so with their and it remained the primary and orthodox teaching of the church for till about 450'ish bc (and undisputed till around 370'ish bc) then it was more than a myth :) . You view wasn't even a concept till about 370'ish bc and was only a church held doctrine due to Augustine and the Roman church becoming a world power.

    Of course, because they never believed that Israel would ever be a nation again because it was supposed to been destroyed by God. But then again many of those commentaires were written by men who had your same view. They were of course wrong but that happens sometimes .
     
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