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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by SaggyWoman, Mar 24, 2008.
In the line of the other poll, let's go a different route.
And what might that route be?
I voted for all but the gypsy. I don't know anything about them so I may be a bit hessitant.
Why would we not?
I voted for all assuming they were actually Christians.
I actually have worshiped with:
American Indian congregation
Predominately black congregation
Former Russian Congregation
See my trailer for the appropriate scripture:
That is what I took the word 'congrations' to imply
My church presently has an Ethiopian congregation.
In times past we also have had a Laotian congregation. They are now organized into their own autonomous church. Of course, we still fellowship with them.
I would fellowship with any congregation. Fellowship does not mean agree with their stances. Christ called us to go into all the world, not to stay in little Christian ghettoes stroking each others egos. We are called to go into the world, to the unsaved as well as the saved.
A young woman here at the seminary said she was talking with some friends in England who were about to graduate from a seminary there. She ask them what they saw in their future. Each said something like, "Oh, I'll go to a large city church," or "I'll go to a surburbian church."
She said she found it interesting and disturbing that not one said the Lord was calling them to help the poor, the down and out, and those in real need.
I believe this is a sad commentary and I fear it is pretty much universal.
I was going to choose "None of the Above", but that could be misinterpreted as meaning that I or my church would not wish to have fellowship with such congregations. The reason is quite different; as far as I am aware, there are no American Indian, Predominantly black, Asian, Indian (like from India), Hispanic, Jewish, gypsy or Russian congregations anywhere near us. I wonder if it can be right to split Christians up into separate churches according to skin colour or nationality.
I indicated all
as long as these people were born again believers, saved by faith and not by works.
I am curious ... why would you not fellowshop with others?
Because if they are saved by works they are not saved at all.
Either we are saved by grace alone through faith alone or we are not saved at all but all alone.
If they have believed another gospel there is no biblical fellowship between us since there is no spiritual fellowship between them and God. That is not to say we do not present the gospel message to them, but in relation to biblical fellowship -what fellowship hath light with dark?
Are you saying that you cannot even discuss the Bible with those who do not agree with you?
The Jewish congregation would have to be of Messianic order
To worship God outside the realm of a risen Lord Jesus Christ is vain!! "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain."
The issue is about fellowship not discussion.
Scripture states that light can not fellowship with dark OR the other part is what partnership does righteousness have with unrighteousness? The implication is much greater than todays distorted version of true fellowship is. Most Churches today have the misguided view that fellowship is conversation and or food, or even both. Though these can be used when 'in fellowship' they are not 'fellowship'.
Fellowship is much the same word we use regarding partnership, or sharing the responsiblities of a common endevor.
Notice in 2 Cor 6:14 to what the contrast of fellowship is used to describe, that being unequally yoked to an unbeliever.
In 1 John 1:7 we see that fellowship is ONLY shared by those who are believers whereby the blood of Jesus Christ has cleasned them from every stain.
It's a kinda hard argument to refute huh?
The only 'argument' that I see that refrutes your post is how Christ lived his life, going among the sinners and the outcast. But I guess it depends on how we define "fellowship." There are a number of definitions, depending on how the word it used, no question about that. I think we need to determine which of the definitions are are discussing before we can maintain a rational discussion.:wavey:
1. the condition or relation of being a fellow: the fellowship of humankind.
2. friendly relationship; companionship: the fellowship of father and son.
3. community of interest, feeling, etc.
4. communion, as between members of the same church.
6. an association of persons having similar tastes, interests, etc.
7. a company, guild, or corporation.
8. Education. a. the body of fellows in a college or university.
b. the position or emoluments of a fellow of a college or university, or the sum of money he or she receives.
c. a foundation for the maintenance of a fellow in a college or university.
–verb (used with object) 9. to admit to fellowship, esp. religious fellowship.
–verb (used without object) 10. to join in fellowship, esp. religious fellowship.
[Origin: 1150–1200; ME felaweshipe. See fellow, -ship]
Christ did not fellowhship the with lost in the same manner that He did with His disciples. Christ reached out to them but that is not the same thing as fellowship, that is proclaiming the gospel. Fellowship my friend is different.
Those defintions are good one's that cI'm sure come from a good dictionary, however the real question is not how the world understands fellowship but how does the bible describe and define it.
If they profess themselves to be Christians, in the Christian sense of the word, and not in the world's sense of what Christians are, yeah, I've no problem fellowshipping with any of those groups, fellowshipping meaning having them as friends, not actually sitting down and worshipping with them. Joining them in singing, maybe, especially if the singing is of the old traditional style, and not in a church setting.
If they profess to adhere to the Doctrine of Grace, oh, definitely, absolutely and surely, I will fellowship and worship with them, except for partaking of the Lord's Supper which as a Primitive Baptist I believe should be close (as in with members of other orderly PB's only).