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  1. wpe3bql

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    ....Anything about the Church of the Apostles in Atlanta, GA?

    This is the church that radio/TV evangelist Michael Yousef(sp?) pastors.

    I noticed that the church's website says nothing about the second third of the Great Commission (....baptizing them....).

    Does anyone out there in BB Land know exactly what mode this church prefers?
     
  2. Jerome

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    They're messed up.

    FAQ:

    "What is the purpose and our practice of baptism?

    Catholics and Orthodox adherents, as well as Anglo-Catholics, believe that a baby is born again (although they do not use this term) at the time of baptism. On the other hand, many evangelical churches only baptize adults and merely have a service of dedication for infants.
    Infant Baptism
    The Protestant Reformers rejected the idea of regeneration at baptism. But we see infant baptism to be more than a mere dedication of the baby. We believe the service of baptism of a child at Apostles serves three purposes:
    1. It is a service of thanksgiving to God for the baby. God is the One who has given us His children to manage. Thus, parents must be thankful to God and willing to express that publicly.
    2.It is a service of claiming the promises of God in Acts 16:31—the scriptural promise of salvation saying, “For you and your children . . . .” Thus, confidently, we come to God in prayer, asking that He open the spiritual eyes of the babies at some point in their lives.
    3. It is a service of pledging to God that the child will be brought up in the fear and nurture of the Lord. Just as a child will not have a choice in his name or the school he attends, he will not have a choice about being brought up in a godly home.
    In summary, the infant baptism service is a covenant-making service.
    Adult Baptism
    Any believer who has not been baptized is encouraged to do so. This service is not a covenant-making service as much as it is a public testimony of one’s salvation through the living Lord Jesus Christ and the surrender of one’s life to His lordship."
     
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    I kinda wondered about this.

    The only thing that set me off on this query was that one time I happened to notice on his TV program what appeared to be some kind of "basin" structure in the background of his platform/stage.

    I did send an e-mail to [email protected]

    I'm waiting for their reply.

    This being said, would you advise Baptists to donate to "Leading the Way" so that they can increase their radio/TV presence in the Middle East and also to help persecuted Christians in that (or other) part(s) of the world?
     
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    wpe3bql,

    If you are interested with financial donations, to help in the middle east, please consider this KBC mission work. Phone number is at the bottom of quoted article by the Disaster Relief Director.

    Coy Webb*

    "In the spring of 2014, an organized militia set out to create a form of Islamic government known as a caliphate in the Middle East. As spring turned to summer, this Islamic State (ISIS) destroyed the lives of hundreds of thousands of Syrian Christians, Iraqi believers, Yazidis and various sects of Shia Muslims. Over 1 million were driven from their homes, and thousands of others were slaughtered or enslaved as this ruthless caliphate swept across Syria and Iraq.*

    Thousands upon thousands fled into the Kurdistan region of northern Iraq to places called Erbil and Dohuk. They took refuge in parks, stadiums, abandoned buildings, parking garages, shelters and tents. Months later, many of them continue to live in camps and refugee centers with little hope of ever returning home.*

    I have just returned from northern Iraq where I served with a Kentucky Baptist Disaster Relief medical and children’s trauma team. The team was comprised of Dr. Tom Ashburn of Barbourville, Glenn Hickey of Monticello, Stacy Nall of Shelbyville, Pat Callan of Sparta, Debra Kramer of Henderson, Karen Smith of Shepherdsville, and myself, Coy Webb, Kentucky Baptist DR director. We spent nine days in northern Iraq seeking to bring help, healing and hope to those displaced by war and violence. As we ministered among the refugees, they only asked one thing of us, “Will you please tell our story to the world?”*

    Life as a refugee is difficult. In the winter, they endured snowstorms and cold temperatures. Now, in the summer, the heat can soar above 130 degrees Fahrenheit and the sun is scorching. Multiple families are forced to share very limited water sources, bathrooms and kitchen areas. Every day is a battle to feed your family and survive.*

    The people we met were normal businessmen, professionals and middle-class folks in villages and towns. But when ISIS came, they literally had to run for their lives. The choice was convert to Islam, run or die. Most had to flee in the middle of the night, many with only an hour or so notice. They had to grab what they could and flee, only to be stopped at ISIS checkpoints where they were forced to abandon their cars and personal belongings. Many were betrayed by Muslim neighbors, whom they had lived beside all their lives. Others watched as young daughters were taken from them to be sold as brides or slaves to ISIS fighters. The lives they knew were jerked from them in a moment. Most families arrived in places like Erbil or Dohuk with nothing but their lives.*

    One woman with two very small children shared this with me as we sat in her refugee tent: “What did we do that we were driven from our homes? Our only offense is that we would not denounce Christ. How could we deny the One who is Lord? We now know that the plan of ISIS is to wipe the earth clean of Christians. Their goal is genocide, … to eradicate every follower of Christ. We have lost everything: our homes, our land, our possessions and our trust of our neighbor. They have stolen our dignity. When you lose your home, …your land, you have no identity. All that we have left is our faith. Do churches in America know what is being done to us? Do they care?”*

    The Scripture on the wall, where our team set up to provide medical care, perhaps best shared their plight, “Yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father or Me” (John 16:2-3).*
    This is the reality of our brothers and sisters scattered across northern Iraq by persecution.*

    Our Kentucky Baptist Disaster Relief team served among these refugees for almost two weeks providing medical care and compassionate ministry. We were able to assist 944 patients in multiple clinics and provide the love of Christ to 1,055 hurting children. We were able to pray and share the love of Christ with them. We were often humbled by the hospitality, grace and faith of these left with so little. We promised that we would not forget them, and that we would seek to give a voice to their plight.*

    Our persecuted brothers and sisters are crying out to God and to the church. How can we remain silent? Dietrich Bonhoeffer was right, “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”*

    What can Kentucky Baptists do in such a time as this? Let me offer five practical ways that we can help our Brothers and Sisters in Christ.*
    First, we can contact our representatives in the U.S. government and be advocates for the persecuted church. ISIS is a threat to the stability of the Middle East, but they are a threat to our nation as well. They are a threat to humanity. We must be a voice for the voiceless. We must be outspoken in our cry for justice and in shining the light of Christ on evil. Not to speak is to speak.*

    Second, we can provide tangible assistance to the more than 1 million refugees living in exile in Kurdistan. Financial gifts can be designated to Baptist Global Response, the International Mission Board and to the World Hunger Fund. Among the current needs requested of our team was funding to establish a mobile medical clinic and rent assistance that would enable families to move from camps into apartments ($600 a month will put three families into an apartment). Not to act is to act.*

    Third, we can advocate for Iraqi Christians by asking that our government allows them to immigrate to the United States and be willing as churches to sponsor refugees. Countless Iraqi believers would love to come to our nation and would be resources to our churches that would strengthen our ability to reach others from the Middle East who are in our state. Would your church consider sponsoring an Iraqi Christian family to find refuge in America?*

    Fourth, Kentucky Baptists can “GO.” Iraqi churches and other strategic partners are seeking churches and teams that will join them in this critical hour of ministry. Thousands of nominal Christians, Yazidis and Shia Muslims have been displaced from their homes and have come together across northern Iraq. ISIS has caused many Muslims to begin to question their beliefs, and forced nominal Christians to realize faith must be more than empty rituals. This has created a door of opportunity for the Gospel. Believers in Kurdistan are crying out for partner churches to join them in this critical hour. There are current needs for medical teams, children’s teams, discipleship workers, evangelism training and pastoral training, women’s ministry, church construction, and strategic long-term church partners. They are crying out for Kentucky Baptists to join them as they seek to minister to a vast sea of refugees. God has cracked open a door that has been previously closed, so now is the time. Will we have the courage to step through the door for Christ?*

    By going, Kentucky Baptists can proclaim to the displaced:*
    You are not alone.You are not forgotten.You are loved by God and the church of our Lord.You have brothers and sisters who will come alongside you and stand with you for the sake of Christ.Not to act is to act.Finally, the most important thing we can do is pray. Pray for the thousands of refugees who have fled to northern Iraq and surrounding countries. Pray for Christians who have been left homeless and without jobs. Pray that the Islamic State will be awakened to the truth of the cross. Pray for God to push back the darkness and evil. Pray that God will use persecution to expand His church and open new doors for the Gospel. Pray for God to be magnified among the nations.*

    Silence is not an option. How will you respond?*

    “Is this not the fast which I choose, to loosen the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke, and to let the oppressed go free and break every yoke? Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into the house; when you see the naked, to cover him; and not to hide yourself from your own flesh? Then your light will break out like the dawn, and your recovery will speedily spring forth; and your righteousness will go before you; the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard” (Isaiah 58: 6-8).*

    Please contact the Missions Mobilization Team at the Kentucky Baptist Convention for more information on how your church can join us in this Great Commission task in northern Iraq and the Middle East. You may call*(502) 489-3399*to learn more.*"
     
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    Is there a website for this organization?

    Can non-SBC individuals participate in it?
     
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    They are known to baptize infants and, as far as I know, provide no formal position on which mode they prefer. I appreciate Dr Yousef's preaching ministry, though his attachment to a sacramental-esque theology is difficult for me to agree with in total.
     
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