Does God hate the Sinner?

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  1. jstrickland1989

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    I've heard about this a lot lately, and have been wondering. Does God really hate the sinner?

    For beginners, I will just give you one verse that tells us this.

    Psalm 5:5

    What are your thoughts?
     
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    jstrickland,

    Whereas God will damn all who die in their sins to eternal torment, I don't see how anyone could question His hatred of them.

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    I don't think that God hates the sinner.... he hates the sin. If he really hated the sinner then why would he die for everyone in the world and take upon himself our sin? John 3:16 comes to mind. God damns all to hell because of what Adam and Eve did; because of sin. But God sent Jesus as a mediator to restore fellowship with us and God because God is holy and just and cannot look upon sin. Those who reject God's offer of salvation are still damned to hell because of their sin. Jesus had so much compasion and love for us that he was willing to take upon himself all the sins of the world just so that we could live forever in heaven. I still sin even though I'm saved. I don't see how God could hate the sinner because we can't do anything about our sin... it is apart of us because of Adam and Eve. It would be like me hating my dog because she won't stop barking. She can't do anything about because it is her nature. Also if God hated the sinner then don't you think that He would've gotten rid of this world a LONG time ago? I think so.
     
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    I would have!!
     
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    I really don't know. It's like the Bible says, Gods ways our not ours. And it's just not Psalm 5:5 that mentions God hating the sinner, there are others.
     
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    The simplest way i know to put it is that God can hate,...even the sinner himself. But God can also show mercy to that same sinner because of His desire that none should perish, not even one.
     
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    yeah, I was thinking about this. Do you think God both hates and loves at the same time? I mean, is that even possible?

    James
     
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    With God...ALL things are possible!
     
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    I can't believe I said that. you're right!
     
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    Is it possible for God to lie?
     
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    Wrong. I would hope a preacher would have known better.

    1 John 4:8 tells us that "God is love". Not "God can love", or "God has love".

    First, Jesus says in Matt 5:
    Jesus is telling us to love even our enemies. Are the sinners enemies of God , and does God hate all sinners? First problem with God hates sinners.

    1 John 2 tells us we can know we have come to know Him if we keep His commandments. The above scripture in Mattew 5 is clearly a command.
    So...if we keep His commands, in him the love of God has been truly perfected. This would make no sense that God commands us to love the very ones He hates... and in turn loves us for this! Verse 6 says we who abide in Him, SHOULD WALK IN THE SAME MANNER AS HE WALKED . We should be like Christ. How then can Christ tell us to love our enemies while He, as God, does not?


    If we have the "mind of Christ" , and He commands us to love our enemies, He obviously does, too.
    "The one who does not love does not know God"? Does this mean that God doesn't know Himself?!

    It is not in God's nature to hate His creation, only the actions of His creation, as evidenced throughout the Bible.

    1 John 3:14-15 "We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer , and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him."

    Again, this goes back to us having the "mind of Christ" in 1 Corinthians. The Bible tells us that anyone who hates is a murderer. How can God say this...and at the same time, Himself hate? He can't!! If we are to love even our enemies, and we are not allowed to hate our brother, who are we allowed to hate? What happens to those who hate? Jesus OBVIOUSLY hated no one! If Jesus hated no one, that means God the Father could ALSO hate NO ONE! God hates sin...not the sinner.
     
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    The "hate" mentioned does not always mean the english definition of hate...as in whithholding love. The Hebrew word "sane" (pronounced saw-nay) does not carry the same definition of hate as we view it, as the opposite of love, and to withhold love. If it did, Psalm 5 would include everyone who has ever lived. The proper context, then, is to detest, despise or look down upon.
     
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    FOR a quick response fore' i head out the door.
    You are right God is love, & we are to love our enimies.
    The verse that was used as reference (PS:5.5) has the words...."thou hatest all workers of iniquity." The word hatest is just that (unless I misunderstand) meaning to literally hate. But the catch is the word 'workers" which means one who works at, is habitual, to practice sin. to make it ones lifestyle with no regard to man or God.
    Love our enimies is right. treat them just the same as anyone else. Do for your enemy as you would your brother.
    And the verse says anyone who HATES his BROTHER, doesn't say just anyone who hates, period.
    Have to remeber too that we cannot do all the things that God can. Yes it's possible for him to hate & love at the same time, but that doesn't hold true for us, But even we can partly do that.
    Ever done someting good for someone you can't stand to be around?
    Aaron...No we know God can't lie, or go against His own Word.
    Yes I'm a Preacher, but never have claimed to be perfect. I'm still learning too & I call them as I see them. I know I'm gonna be wrong sometimes, just as long as I'm right on salvation...All who call upon the name of the Lord shall ba saved!
    I shuld be back sometime today!
     
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    The "hate" mentioned does not always mean the english definition of hate...as in whithholding love. The Hebrew word "sane" (pronounced saw-nay) does not carry the same definition of hate as we view it, as the opposite of love, and to withhold love. If it did, Psalm 5 would include everyone who has ever lived. The proper context, then, is to detest, despise or look down upon
    I don't understand your reasoning here? The Bible says ANYONE who hates is a murderer!
    I agree, but 1 Corinthians tells us we are to have the mind of Christ. Hate and love are emotions...from the mind.
    Not under our english definition of hate that you are using.
    Unfortunately yes. The Bible calls this sin if I hate the person, however. If God were to hate, by His own definition, He would be a murderer and a sinner. Can't happen.
     
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    The bible says God loved us first, before we loved Him, while we were sinners He loved us.
     
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    donnA that is a good verse to add to the discussion. Now how do we reconcile that with Psalm 5:5?
     
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    In the same sense "hate" is used here by Jesus:

    HCSB Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his own father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, and even his own life--he cannot be My disciple.
     
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    H8130
    שׂנא
    śânê'
    saw-nay'
    A primitive root; to hate (personally): - enemy, foe, (be) hate (-ful, -r), odious, X utterly.

    This is from Strongs Hebrew & Greek which is what i have always used. This is also the definition given for the word hate used in Ps 5:5
    Remember here He is speaking of habitual sin, & I believe the very sin nature inherited from Adam. These referred to don't want any other way of life.
    Let me ask, do you believe God loves Satan? or hates him?
    It says anyone who hates his brother is the same as a muderer.
    David hated his enimies,& those that worked iniquity, the same as His God. He didn't pray for them to be spared, but to be destroyed, not for his pleasure but because he understood they were a mokery to what God is. But still he hated them. You say I'm using our modern translation of hate, to me hate means to dispise, to care less for, to not want anything to do with. Again we're talking of people here that absolutly spit in the face of God with they're lives. Not someone who ocassionaly does wrong. These are like the devil himself, they neither care about their actions, nor want to care.
    We also have to remeber that God knows the outcome of every life before it reaches it's end, we do not.
    The verse you refer to (Lk. 14:26) does mean to love less. Not to utterly hate as the verse in Ps. 5:5 It means everything else in your life come secondary to Christ. Thats how I look at the word hate, for me personally. I can't utterly hate because I don't know the ending, probaly because I'm not discernful enough(?). I've been around
    people it would be easy to HATE, & felt like they would never change, but I am still commanded to love them because I don't know they're end.
     
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    Here are many other verses that refer to the Lord's hate.

    Psalms 119:139-140, Malachi 1:2-3, Romans 9:13-14, Psalm 31:6, and also the one that I think is most interesting, David talks about his hate. Psalm 139:21-22.

    James
     
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    Notice enemy, foe. This would be the correct definition of hate found in Psalm 5. Workers of iniquity are enemies of God. We are told to love our enemies. God wouldn't command us to love our enemies...while He does not.

    Being that satan is a fallen angel, I don't know. The Bible is silent on God's love for angels and fallen angels.
    Kind of sounds like the crowd who was yelling "crucify Him!", the same ones Jesus said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". This doesn't sound like "utter hatred" to me.
     

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