Does God have a Mother?

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  1. Eliyahu

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    In the Baptist thread there were discussions on the Mary Mother of God. Still I notice that some people want to stick to the expression of Mother of God and therefore I want to clarify that issue with some questions as follows. If anyone of you believe that God has a Mother, please answer the following questions:

    1) Does God the Holy Spirit have a Mother?
    2) Does God the Father have a Mother ?
    3) Does God the Son (Son of God) have a Mother?
    4) Did Mary give birth to God?
    5) Did Elisabeth call Mary " Mother of God" ?
    6) Is Abraham God because Sarah called him Lord(1 Pet 3:6)?

    Your answer yes or no will be appreciated.
     
  2. Chemnitz

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    No need to answer them seperatly can answer them all at once. Only God the Son in that Mary gave Him flesh in his incarnation. As there is only one person, Jesus Christ, what happens to one nature affects both natures.
     
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    God the Father has no mother.

    God the Son does.

    Peace,

    Tam
     
  4. Eliyahu

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    Tam,
    Please read Hebrew 7:3
     
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    Obviously before His incarnation.
     
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    I love it when people prooftext and forget that there is more to the Bible than their prooftext, Namely the geneologies of the Gospels, the prophecies concerning the line of David.

    Hebrew 7 is true about Jesus because of His divine nature in that God the son has no lineage, yet at the same time He does have a lineage as He is also human.
     
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    In all reality, Hebrews 7-3 is comparing Jesus to Melchisedec,(having no father and no mother). Yes you are right about Jesus being also human so that side of him does have a lineage.

    That's what I meant when I said God, no. Jesus yes!!

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    tam
     
  8. Doubting Thomas

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    Mary is the mother of God in the sense that the one--Jesus Christ--she conceived and bore in time was from eternity, God. It does not mean that she's the source of Christ's divinity.
     
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    If you say that Mary is the mother of Jesus, then it is very fine. But If she is not the source of his divinity, then it denies the concept "Mother of God"
    Heb 7:3 is true to all ages not limited to the time before incarnation. It was not mentioned before his incarnation but after He was born.
     
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    Wrong. You simply refuse to acknowledge the sense in which "mother of God" has always been used. In fact, to deny that the Mary is the Mother of God is to deny that the one she bore (in time) from conception was true God (from eternity). That, my friend, is the heresy of "Nestorianism"--the attempt to divide Christ into two personal subjects.

    Mary is indeed the Mother of God because the one she conceived , bore and gave birth to is in fact truly God. However, she obviously is not the source of Christ's divinity, since He had that from eternity. (If you perist in equating "mother of God" with "source of divinity", you are merely erecting a straw man.)

    It's really quite simple:
    Mary is the mother of (conceived, carried, gave birth to) Jesus.

    Jesus is God

    Therefore, Mary is the mother of (conceived, carried, gave birth to) God
     
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    God is his own divination he needs no outside source to be God he is was and always will be God. The Word, Jesus, became flesh by the Power of God through the virgin Mary that was his mother. Jesus Divinity is of God his Humanity is from Mary its simple.


    Rev. Jerry D. Lowery D.D.
     
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    This was posted on the baptist only section, and bears the most wisdom of this discussion:

    While it is technically true that Mary gave birth to Jesus and Jesus is God therefore Mary gave birth to God, and logic dictates that if A = B and B = C then A = C, it does not follow that everything that A implies = everything that C implies.
    Not necessarily. If the title "mother of God" is used, it must be used to the fullest of God's wholeness which is 100% divinity.
     
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    Not necessarily. If the title "mother of God" is used, it must be used to the fullest of God's wholeness which is 100% divinity. </font>[/QUOTE]That is a non-sequitur. "Mother of God" (or if you prefer, as I do, "Theotokos"--"birthgiver of God") has historically meant that the One Mary conceived, carried, and gave birth to is indeed God. (In other words, it protects and proclaims the truth of the Incarnation.) It has never meant that she somehow was the source of divinity.

    It's really not that hard. Some, I guess, would prefer to erect strawmen to more easily engage in their polemics.
    :rolleyes:
     
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    But did not Mary conceive, carry, and give birth to Christ who is both God and Man? If the Man Jesus was not also God from conception and birth, when did He become God?

    No, Mary did not give Christ His divinity. He had that from eternity as the Word of God. But the One Mary conceived and gave birth to was God Incarnate (getting His humanity from Mary at conception without ceasing to be God). So when Christ was born, God was born into the world as a man.
     
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    No.

    All of that - and any of that - would be heresy.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Joseph taught Christ -- is Joseph "God's teacher"???

    When someone asks "who taught God" do you say "Joseph"!!

    Wouldn't we ALL love to learn from God's
    "teacher"?

    The heresy is in calling him "God's teacher" is that it diminishes our concept of God and exaults "the man" Joseph beyond God.

    How tragic the heresy!

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    No.

    All of that - and any of that - would be heresy.

    In Christ,

    Bob </font>[/QUOTE]So in other words, you believe the One Mary gave birth to was not God???
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    Mary was the "incubator" for God in the flesh.
     
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    And she also conceived God (the Word) in the flesh, and gave birth to God (the Word) in the flesh.

    (The source of divinity for God the Word is, of course, God the Father. The Word is eternally "true God of true God")
     
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    Mary was no more an incubator that I was for my son or any other mother who bears and gives birth are for their children. She was the mother of Jesus. Jesus was totally 100% man as well as being totally 100% God. To try to "downsize" Mary's role as his mother attacks the humanity of Christ.
     

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