Does Hebrews 9 Teach Literally Heavenly temple Christ Applied His Blood On?

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  1. JesusFan

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    seems to indicate that Christ took blood back with Him at Ascension to a Heavenly temple to have it applied, just as Moses applied the blood of calves/goats/lamps in earthly temple?

    One that 'copied" imensions of the heavely temple?

    Does this show that Jesus had a "physical" not spritual resurrection?
     
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    Jesus was resurrected with his phisical body, as Thomas proved when he put his hands into Jesus hands and side, and there is no scripture to disagree that that same body was taken into glory with Him
     
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    Jesus physically resurrected. Never seen a passage that says that Jesus gathered his shed blood and took it with him to heaven. Hebrews 9 says he offered himself.
     
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    Could be from different versions...
    NIV seems to state that His blood shed at cross was offerred up to God, while NASB seemed to say that he took and applied it in heavenly temple.....
     
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    Which verse we can check the interlinear to clear it up.
     
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    Basically Hebrews 9:11-14 passage!
     
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    I believe the scriptures strongly imply Jesus did enter with his own blood.

    Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

    The high priest was not allowed to enter the holy place without blood. This was a figure of the offering Jesus would make.

    Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    I believe this verse strongly implies Jesus entered into the holy place with his own blood. The word "by" is the word that might cast doubt on this. This is defined in Stongs as dia meaning:

    I do not know Greek, but one of the definitions for this word is "with", so possibly this is the meaning here. Because the OT high priest was required to carry blood into the holy place, I believe Jesus was also.

    There is another verse that supports Jesus did offer his blood on the mercy seat in heaven, though some may not see the connection.

    1 Cor 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

    Why is Jesus's resurrection necessary for us to be forgiven of sins? If Jesus must sprinkle his blood on the mercy seat, then it was necessary that he rise from the dead and ascend to heaven with his blood.

    Why else would Jesus's resurrection be necessary for our sins to be forgiven?
     
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    IF he indeed went to heaven with :blood and his body"...

    was NOT spiritual body or spiritual blood, corect?

    You did a good job on this, wonder how those who do not see a physical resurrection/body for jesus and believers would handle this!
     
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    I believe he entered with his own real physical blood. Look how much emphasis is put on blood in this chapter.

    Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
    19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
    20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
    21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
    22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
    23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
    24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
    25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

    So again, I believe this chapter strongly implies that Jesus entered the Holy of Holies in heaven with his own blood and sprinkled it on the mercy seat.

    In the OT sacrifices, the people's sins were not forgiven when the sacrifice was killed and it's blood shed. No, no one's sins were forgiven until the high priest sprinkled the blood on the mercy seat.

    If these were figures of the true sacrifice Jesus made, why would it be any different?
     
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    The word "by" in English never means "with" like I took something "with" me.

    Words have multiple meanings and synonyms don't always mean the same in all their definitions. so while "by" and "with" can mean the same in some definitions, the one that means carried along with isn't one of them. (this is the same in Greek as well)

    so when it says he went by (meaning through, by means of) it's referring to the shed blood on the cross. He couldn't have "offered himself" without him having already shedding his blood.

    Christ was raised. Nothing about blood here.

    This is why I don't teach that Christ took his blood that he shed on the cross with him to heaven. The Bible never says that he did. Some will assume it, but I don't want to assume something. With the atonement being as significant as it is, I can't image the entire NT omitting something this important if it actually happened.
     
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    And yet you believe all sorts of things never stated in scripture such as a man must be regenerated to have the ability to believe on Christ. Tell me, where is this said in scripture?
     

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