Does Satan support a political party?

So based on "biblical principles" our government...or another perhaps...can justify slaughtering entire populations--men, women, children, and lifestock?

 

Do you have a problem with the USA? I'm curious. Bibilical principles of Government? Apart from Isreal which instituted a Monarchy there really aren't except if you reason liberty. Government from Moses' perspective was God to the individual following the law up. No centralized government was necissary until they begged God for it. So government is by necisssity from the bottom up. If the bottom is corupt so is the top. Every Nation in the world had committed some attrocities of some sort.

 

The link is to the report to Congress from the CRS [Congressional Research Service as updated on May 16, 2008]

If you check the Iraq Body Count web site now the number is higher reflecting the number of Iraqi civilians killed since this report was written.

 

The Iraqi body count numbers include the muslim homicide bombers who have blown up innocent civilians in Iraq. Let's be clear, it is not the US government who has killed all of these people. Let's be clear how many thousands Saddam killed of his own people. I am sick of this liberal garbage.

If you believe the Book of Revelation, (which I would guess you probably think it's figurative and not literal), then yes, the Government of Jesus Christ will be with a rod of iron when He comes back and yes, entire populations and nations will be slaughtered when He comes back to rule and reign in righteousness. When one doesn't take the Book literally, it distorts one's world view.

 

If you believe that, then you really have drunk of the neoconservative kool-aid. There is NO evidence linking Saddam Hussein to 911. None. In fact Osama and Al-queda hated both Iraq and Iran (which apparently is our next target)

I'm not denying at all that Saddam and his sons were bad guys. However, the ironic thing is that we actually aided Saddam for a while during his war against Iran--even when we knew that he had chemical weapons. Also there have been many brutal dictators in the world, several of which we've actually propped up in the name of "fighting the spread of Communism". If you recall the CIA was involved in overthrowing the popularly elected leader in Iran in 1953 in order to install the Shah because it served the interests of the elites that run the country.

That's a poor analogy. Do you honestly believe that's why we went into Iraq--to rescue the defenseless Iraqis? (Are you sure it wasn't for those purported "WMDs" which they never found?) Is that why we sat back for a good part of the war and watch the different factions in Iraq engage in civil war and ethnic cleansing of neighborhoods, etc, in which tens of thousands have died and over 4 million have been displaced? I mean the US is the one who opened Pandora's box over there...

However, if that was the reason, why not intervene in Darfur or Rwanda? Why not--because those weren't strategically important to the interests of our power elite, that's why not. It had nothing to do with humanitarian concerns about the repressed Iraqi people. (Lets not forget that US sanctions in the 1990s, between the two wars, has been thought to have caused an estimated half-million deaths over there.)

 

I have to say that I am a bit surprised that there are Christians who think that God and Satan have political parties in this country. I jokingly refer to the GOP as "God's Own Party' but there are apparently some who think this is not joke.

Both parties, like the rest of this perverse and corrupt generation are controlled by the god of this world, the prince of the power of the air. I have no confidence in any party.

 

48,589,993
Total number of US abortions since Roe v Wade - and the Party of Death supports this wholeheartedly.

# obtained from National Right to Life.

Information posted for those who want to compare numbers.

 

And the GOP has done what about this?

My point exactly - neither party has done anything to end this satanic slaughter.

 

I have a big problem with it's foreign policy of endless interventionism which results in--indirectly or directly--countless deaths of innocent civilians, particularly with todays military technology.

No argument here. The problem is too many folks try to apply the unique situation of Old Covenant Israel with nation states today. Some by using such an application might logically conclude that genocide is an acceptible foreign policy.

BINGO--which is why we should pursue peace and noninterventionism abroad and liberty and less centralized government at home.

 

So we repsond, how? By unleashing destruction and instability on a nation so that many MORE thousands can die and be maimed, including our own soldiers???

Ah..there's the rub. Neither the USA, nor modern Israel, nor any other nation-state is the Government of Jesus Christ.

 

Because you refuse to face the sad fact that many Iraqi civilians have been killed by US soldiers and bombings. Just like in Afghanstan where many civilians have been killed, especially by bombings. This is a primary reason the allied forces, led by the US, are loosing the support of the people there.

That is very sad, but very true.

 

Sad but true indeed.

I just wish more 'Christians' could grasp this fact. :BangHead:

 

Since we're name calling (why I have no clue: when you're calmer I'll ask) the GOP boasts its fair share of pro-choicers, several of which prominently served in the current administration, i.e. Ridge, Powell, Rice. You'll recall that Giuliani was a major contendor in the past primary and McCain is said to have seriously considered pro-choice Lieberman as a VP nod, and:

Women Closest to Bush Are Pro-Choice. (Curiously, Bush is married to a pro-choicer.)

None of this is to suggest that Democrats do not largely support abortion and that Republicans largely do not. What it is to suggest is this: it is possible to be a Democrat and pro-life (Philip Yancey and Donald Miller come to mind) and Republican and pro-choice (see aforementioned). So while criticism of abortion policy is certainly valid, whole cloth brushes such as your above post would logically render the GOP as the 'party of death' as well.

In short, LadyEagle, chillax.

 

A BIG THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH THE PATIENCE I DO NOT HAVE WITH RIDICULOUS COMMENTS. :applause:

 

In those 35 years, if I count it right, God's Own Party has controlled the White House for all but 12 years. What have God's chosen Republican servants done to stop the butchery? How many were slaughtered during the administrations of the godly party?

 

A more interesting question would be: How many were slaughtered during the simultaneous leadership of a Republican President, a Republican Congress, and a Republican majority on the Supreme Court?

 

Fair question, and it would take some research, but sadly, we are still talking about several million.

 

My question was rhetorical. Even if none were aborted during a decidedly conservative period of Republican control it would still be through no effort of the GOP's own and it still speaks volumes that abortion laws have not significantly* changed even when the party was presented with the choice of doing so.

*A reference to legislating the most common abortion procedures.