Does the bible say to tithe or not to tithe?

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  1. Carolyn

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    I posted a thread a couple days ago about my husband not letting me tithe.....
    Thank you to all who responded. You all really lifted my spirits. This board has been absolutly wonderful with helping me...........
    but now I am a little confused...................
    I have always been taught to tithe. My pastor just gave a sermon on putting God first and tithing was mentioned. So which is it? There were some that said tithing was and OT thing adn not now.
    Thanks again for listening and helping. It's truly a blessing to have this board to turn to.
     
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    Tithes and offerings were OT - designed for support of the nation and the temple. Works out to 16+%

    Free will giving is NT - designed to support the ministries of the local church. Cannot imagine a Christian not giving out of love at least what a Jew was required to out of law.

    Gifts to parachurch organizations are voluntary extra giving as God might lead
     
  3. Ben W

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    When the issue of what Jewish customs the Christian Gentile must keep, Paul stated that we are to abstain from immorality and from blood. No mention of Tithing.

    The new Testament Church has no set limits on giving. People gave and all who had needs were supplied. So the same precedent is set for the church today. The 10% Tithe preached in churches is a Fallicy and a False Teaching. The idea should be that God has 100% of you in all areas. You give to the church what the Holy Spirit tells you to. Bearing in mind that Jesus made a specific point about those who neglect the poor, Naked, Hungry. Programes that help others should be high on our list of concern, not struggling to maintain a Capatalist based church empire that has little in common with the early church.
     
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    Carolyn,

    It is very important to Tithe. But in your situation where your husband controls all the money and you have no income and he will not give you any money to tithe with, then you have two options. You can either tithe with helping out the church, or you can go make your own money and tithe with that. Either way, God knows what is going on. If you just sat back and did nothing then that would be wrong, but if you are willing to help the church with things they may need, then that is your tithe to the churh and God will recognize that.

    I also do not work outside the home. My husband controls all the money and he doesn't tithe what he should, but he will have to answer for that. I get a little from what I make on Avon, and I give my 10 percent plus... I may have to cheat a bill, but I make sure I give. Even if it may only be $3.00. God gets his share. But if I couldn't tithe at all, I would make sure I would do something for the church.

    I am sorry you got confused on the subject. The answer is yes everyone should tithe, including children, but there are certain circumstances that would cause a person to tithe in a different way.As such in your case.

    Be faithful, ask God what he wants you to do and he will guide you to what you should be doing... [​IMG]
     
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    No need to "ask God" etc., seeing Paul has already long ago stipulated how church members should give, and he did definitely not preach tithing. Tithing is not a Baptist doctrine either, historically speaking. Churches that practise tithing are semi-Judaizing as far as I am concerned. I once belonged to such a Baptist church.

    Harald
     
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    Tithing is the middle-class way of robbing God.
     
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    Laurab,

    Cheating a Bill to pay a Tithe to your church?

    Think about this very carefully. Does it honour your husband?
     
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    Carolyn,
    Jesus will only hold you responsible (at the judgement seat of Christ) for what you could do, not what you simply could not do. Give what you can, when you can. May God bless you and help you in your walk with Him.
     
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    Tithing is being practiced by believer way back before the law was given. Abraham gave tithe so was Jacob.In NT, the Lord Jesus told the pharisees that they ought to do it and don't leave the others undone Mat.23:23. NT giving is even more than giving tithe. We see in the book of Acts men who gave their all. We know that the NT is under grace,and therefore if we give less than our tithe, we are not practicing the law of grace . We are to give more than our tithe if we are giving according to NT. We can do it if we are living in the Spirit of love.
     
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    What nations and temples existed that Cain and Abel were required to tithe to? It seemed like an established practice by the time it's mentioned by them. Tithing was from the beginning. The firstfruits go to God.
    As far as being a wife and being told not to tithe by a husband, by all means obey him. God may have said to tithe, but the responsibility for spiritual matters falls on the husband. If he doesn't let you don't do it and you also won't be held responsible, he will. Right now it's a stumbling block to him and may turn him against the church if you push the issue. He doesn't understand it nor will he until understands God.
    BTW I've been in your situation so I know what it feels like, but I also learned humbleness through it and that in the meantime I could give to God in other ways and I had peace with that.
    Gina
     
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    1. Neither of these men did so by commandment.

    2. Jesus lived under the Law. The Law commanded the tithe. Therefore, Jesus told the pharisees that they should tithe. What does that have to do with the New Covenant which began at his death? Nothing.

    3. It was always about all they had. To pretend they actually owned something would be living a dream.

    4. This position is exegetically impossible.
     
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    Since when was tithing part of the "law" you're talking about that isn't necessary anymore? The only laws no longer in effect were the ones LISTED as no longer necessary such as the food ones, and the ones that were not abolished but no longer in effect because Christ fulfilled them, like going to a priest, sacrifices, etc..
    The ten commandments would still stand, tithing would still stand, prohibitions against sexual immorality would still stand, etc..
    Gina
     
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    Nowhere in the NT, God prohibits believer in giving tithe if it is being done according to love. What is being descouraged is giving in a grudgingly way. We are commanded to give gladly according to have purposed in our heart. But the proportionality of giving, meaning the percentage of what you give compared to that what you have, determined our spirituality. Spiritual and matured believers give more than ten percent. They give their all as a sign that all belongs to God. Some believers think that they are already giving according to NT even if they give less than their tithe. If tithing is for OT, we can say that giving in NT, is more than just our tithe. This principle is demonstrated by Christ when He taught that we should love our enemies, adultery is when you look upon a woman with a lust in your heart, when you hate your brother you are guilty of murder etc. Christian who are living in the spirit of grace give more than just their tithe. Just as christians ought to love their enemy, don't hate their brother in their heart, and other good works better than the OT standard.
     
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    Ben,

    Honor my husband... It is my bill not his. I pay my own bills, and I pay God first and formost, and He usually always provides a way for me to pay my bills. So I cheat a bill, God provided me with a way to make it up and all on time!
    But to imply I do not honor my husband....is outragious!

    Enough said..

    [ May 06, 2003, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: LauraB ]
     
  16. Ben W

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    Is it honouring your husband to deliberatley go against his will for the family?

    That would seem to me to be extremley disrespectfull.

    If he does not want you to give then that is his descion. It is not in anyway honourable to deliberatley go against him.
     
  17. LauraB

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    Ben,

    I am not dishonoring my husband. It is MY own money, MY own bills. The money he earns we pay the household bills with that. I do not cheat that. But what I choose to do with the money I earn, and with the bills I pay is up to me. Not my husband. I don't tell him how to work his bills.

    I in no way dishonor him. I cherish that man with all that I am...
     
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    I believe in free will giving, as has been supported here.

    I don't tithe.

    However, $4500 was split among five charitable organizations, the most significant one being my church, last year. Actually, I just looked at my tax doodling, and it was $4,625, a little shy of my standard deduction. So that's what, not quite 14% of my income.

    So, I definitely give, but I don't call it a tithe. I say that because the oft heard comeback is, "those who say the tithe isn't necessary are usually the ones who don't do it (give)." Many of us who don't tithe do give, and give generously. We just don't tithe.

    Maybe much of it is semantics.
     
  19. christfollower55

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    i belive that the bible commands us to tithe. And tithing is 10% and nothing more and nothing less. Anything after that is an offering which is feely given.

    God Bless America
     
  20. Helen

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    NO, we should not tithe!

    Everything the Christian is and has belongs to God. 100%.

    Find out what He wants you to KEEP!

    It's part of loving your neighbor as yourself.
    It's part of considering others better than yourself.

    If you have been entrusted with money, be aware that you are simply the steward, not the owner of it. That puts a whole different attitude in your heart about it.
     

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