Drinking of alcohol and especially wine

There you go again Ann, trying to take us down a rabbit trail. I suppose that you do not teach God's Word to your students unless you live it totally. I suppose that you do not talk against sin unless you are sinless?

 

I am not trying to bind anyone. I am not affected by what you do or don't do so I don't have a problem.

Why don't you come up with scriture that promotes it?

 

It is amazing why teetotallers ignore every argument that doesn't suit them.

Alcohol, like many things, is ok in some contexts but not in others. Sex is ok for a married couple, but it is not ok for children. Even some parts of the Bible are best left to at least semi-mature minds. E.g.--do you really want four year olds studying the suggestive passages in the Song of Solomon?

Alcohol is no different. It's suitable in some contexts but not in others.

 

The subject is alcohol, not sex nor is it about a movie. You still are having a problem staying with the subject. Is it because you really don't know what your stand is on the subject of alcohol?

 

Please use your brain for a minute. God gave you intellect for a reason. You mentioned the movie question. It is altogether appropriate to use an analogy.

 

teetotallers?

Is sex ok for unmarrried adults? Most 4 year olds don't read. According to scripture unless you are saved you won't understand the Bible anyway no matter what the age.

If you choose to promote drinking alcohol that's ok. It makes no difference to me. You make assumptions then you critique.

 

You too? Why do you have such a hard time staying on the subject? Reread the title of the thread.

 

Then--is drinking alcohol ok in any amount? (medicines aside)


Who cares if they can't read? Would you sit around reading the sexual passages to them? I would hope not. Moreover, Scripture doesn't say that you won't have any understanding of the Bible. It's a spiritual enlightenment of which it speaks. One can comprehend the literary meaning of biblical narrative even without being a Christian.

 

Discussion boards allow an individual to make analogies when appropriate.

How long have you been on this board?

 

If you asking me for how much is ok for you to drink, I'll have to know the reasons why you drink. Can you tell me the reason or reasons that you choose to drink alcohol?

BTW, please try and stay on the subject. The subject is not if we should read The Song of Solomon to two year olds.

I am looking forward to you answers.

 

Paul told timothy is was good, your turn to try to find that Scripture says not to.

 

My mother-in-law has Lupus, Fibromygila, and a lot of other things on top of those two really horrible diseases. She barely eats anything and yet she's overweight and her doctors can't figure it out. So there are exceptions to the rule.

 

I'm not interested in your determination of how much anyone else should drink. What I want to know is whether or not you believe it is at least acceptable to drink even a small amount of alcohol.

Regarding personal consumption decisions, that is best left to the individual.

 

You edited it out, but I have been here longer than ten minutes. You seem to be getting frustrtaed which is evidenced by your eroding attitude so it is probably best that we end this discussion with each other.

 

I am frustrated because you are unwilling to engage the issues, even when you bring them up. You yourself specifically referenced movies then called out annsi when she responded.

 

You are not interested in my determination of what others should drink and yet you ask me what I believe is acceptable.

Then you go on to say that consumption is best left to the individual to determine.

You appear much too irrational to continue a conversation with based on your oxymoron questions.

 

You are right about the movie thing so I do apologize both to you and Ann.

 

I'll get back to you on the scriptures but here is some reading you can do until tomorrow.

Here are seven of the short term effects of alcohol consumption:

1. Reduced Inhibitions - consuming alcohol changes behavior. At a blood alcohol level of 0.05, the drinker's behavior begins to change and be noticable. Physical effects of alcohol and reduced inhibitions can mean the drinker becomes more likely to engage in activities they would otherwise not participate in like sexual activity, continued drinking, drinking and driving or illegal drug use.

2. Loss of Muscle Control - at the level of 0.10, slurred speech will likely be one of the physical effects of alcohol. Impaired judgement and poor coordination are short term effects of alcohol abuse that can lead to falls and accidents.

3. Memory Loss and/or Blackouts - since alcohol depresses the brain's control mechanisms, as blood alcohol levels increase, periods of time and certain situations and events may not be remembered afterward.

4. Nausea, Vomiting - excessive alcohol consumption can result in the body attempting to protect itself by getting rid of the alcohol. Also, alcohol adversely affecting a person's sense of balance and orientation can lead to a feeling of nausea.

5. Headaches, Hangovers - these short term effects of alcohol can be felt a few hours after consuming alcohol. Hangovers are partially due to the body becoming dehydrated due to alcohol consumption.

6. Stupor - at a blood alcohol concentration of 0.40, a person can hardly function, acting seriously disoriented and confused.

7. Coma - at a blood alcohol level of 0.50, a person is at risk for coma, a life-threatening condition. And at this level or higher, respiratory paralysis and death become very much a possibility.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Physical-...Term-Effects-of-Alcohol-Consumption&id=131378

 

I do not drink, but for a totally different mindset than you listed. Your first four questions are ridiculous, and in fact, except for how they pertain to your life, are really none of your concern when it comes to others.

The reasons I do not drink are at the top of the list are an example to my family, the Sunday School class I teach, the witness in the church, and causing a fellow brother or sister to stumble. Another reason is that when I was in the Navy, it became obvious very quickly that I am not the type of person who has any business drinking.

This is between me and the Holy Spirit guiding me. However, that has nothing to do with anyone else's life. The Holy Spirit guiding me does not transcend to other lives, since the Holy Spirit is guiding each Christian in their daily walk.

Your setting rules for others lives says to me you are not drinking because of a memorized rule, not walking by faith.