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    Every Easter the usual suspects post their unfounded attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter, which is Christ was crucified on Friday and was laid in the tomb before Saturday began at around sundown of Friday. Christ spent part of Friday, all of Saturday and arose just at daylight on Sunday, which using inclusive counting is three days, and is consistent with the Hebrew idiom of "3 days and 3 nights."

    The answer to Matthew 12:40 (three days and three nights) is to accept that Jesus was using a colloquialism, three days and three nights only referring to three days or part days rather than 72 literal hours. In 1 Samuel 30, verse 12, the account of a starving servant is recorded as follows: “…For he had not eaten bread or drunk water for three days and three nights.” But in verse thirteen, his problem had started three days ago. This passage therefore suggests, and I accept that “three days and three nights” is a figurative reference to three days or parts of days and not to a literal 72 hours or a literal three daylight periods and three darkness periods because three days ago would only include two darkness periods. If you compare 2 Chronicles 10:5 (return to me in three days) with 2 Chronicles 10:12 (came to Rehoboam on the third day) you will see that three days and on the third day mean the same thing, indicating that both inclusive counting was used and parts of days were counted as days in the pre-scientific culture. Inclusive counting means that you count today as the first day when saying something happened three or any number of days ago or in the future. Therefore, “three days and three nights” is a figurative reference to three days ago, and three days ago is the day before yesterday or literally only two nights ago. The point of Matthew 12:40 was not to create conflict with the many scriptures that say “on the third day” but only to draw a parallel with Jonah by using the terminology of Jonah 1:17.
     
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    The body is an "it" in the scriptures. The soul defines the man. Jesus Christ died at 3:00 pm on Friday. His body was put in a borrowed tomb. His soul is what was in the heart of the earth where paradise was. 72 hours from 3:00 PM is 3:00 PM. The Spirit of God, who indwelt his body for his entire life until 12:00 noon on the day he was crucified, departed his body and went back to heaven. He died as Adam died, first a spiritual death when the Spirit of God departed. Second, he endured a physical death when the soul departed from the body.

    The Spirit is life. Jesus Christ, the only begotten man who ever had the Spirit of God indwelling his body from his conception and birth, died spiritually on the cross. He could not have died spiritually with the Spirit in his body. Men receive the spiritual new birth now by receiving the Spirit of God when they believe in Jesus Christ and receive the same Spirit who indwelt his physical body and they can never die. Jesus Christ is the "first born" from the dead at his resurrection. That is what we are told in at least three scriptures in the NT. Nobody believes it. The birth takes place when the Spirit enters the body. That is what happened at the Tomb on resurrection morning when the Son arose from the dead at the break of day never to die again.

    Jesus Christ received the judgement of God for sin which is death. If the Spirit of God was in his body he would have had light, but the earth went dark at 12 noon.

    In John 1 we are told that "in him was life and the life was the light of men. The life in him was the Spirit of God.

    In John 3 we are told God the Father gave not the Spirit unto Jesus Christ by measure. That is not what we are told about our new birth. We are told we receive the "earnest" of the Spirit while we wait of our promised glorified bodies that will be like unto his glorious body. Phil 3. All our connection with Adam will be gone at our physical resurrection. We will have new glorified bodies with the fullness of the Spirit in them along with our souls.

    The life of the flesh is in the blood, we are told. The life of God is the Spirit. Jesus Christ rose from the dead without blood in his glorified body.

    Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

    Those in his body, the church, will not have blood in their glorified bodies. We are collectively the body of Christ. We have a body awaiting us at the rapture like his body. It, the body, will have the Spirit in it because the Spirit is in each individual member. In this way the Spirit will indwell the body in fullness and will control it.

    The three days in the heart of the earth must begin at 3PM on crucifixion day when the soul of Jesus departed his body at death.

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    How do you derive that it was Friday? What was the year? What was the Jewish calendar date?
     
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    We have already spent a thread discussing that. All prophecy in scripture is prefigured. The two silent days days after Jesus departed from the temple for the last time prefigured the two one thousand year days that Israel has been buried in the graveyard of the nations waiting to be resurrected very early on the third day and with Messiah not being present. They must rise from the dead on the day following the sabbath, the sabbath being the seventh day and the end of the week. The time of the suffering and judgement of Jesus Christ when God is not present in any form with him is congruent with the great Tribulation that Israel endures in three and one half years of the great tribulation when God is not present with them on the earth in any form.

    So the pattern that God in his word has provided for us is a 7day week. The week is usually divided by 4 + 3. The 1 is beginnings and the number 7 is completion. So Jesus completes the 7th day on Saturday and he even utters the proclamation, "it is finished" when he gave up the ghost (his human spirit, his soul). The events of the crucifixion week began on Sunday and were completed on Saturday. The Olivet Discourse was given to 4 of his disciples on Wednesday after he had left the temple for the final time. He would not meet again with his people until they say "blessed is he that cometh in the name of the LORD." So Thursday, Friday and Saturday are the final 3 days of the 7 day cycle that began on Sunday after Jesus arrived in Jerusalem and the significant act to note the division was his departing the temple on Wednesday. This is the break between the 4 and the 3.

    You will note that the 1000 year day that God provides for us as a glimpse into how he thinks can be seen better by this generation than any other as it relates to the second coming in glory of Jesus Christ at the end of the 3rd day when Israel will be delivered by being saved, every one of them and brought back to their own land.

    The prophetic experience of Israel and of Jesus mirrors one another and one foreshadows the other. The new heaven and the new earth comes into being on the day following the sabbath, or the eighth day. The number 8 is used by God in his word for new things.

    The Bible is a Jewish book and there is not a single word in it that is not important to the whole.
     
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    You didn't specify any real year in history.
     
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    Every Easter the usual suspects post their unfounded attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter, which is Christ was crucified on Friday and was laid in the tomb before Saturday began at around sundown of Friday. Christ spent part of Friday, all of Saturday and arose just at daylight on Sunday, which using inclusive counting is three days, and is consistent with the Hebrew idiom of "3 days and 3 nights."

    The answer to Matthew 12:40 (three days and three nights) is to accept that Jesus was using a colloquialism, three days and three nights only referring to three days or part days rather than 72 literal hours. In 1 Samuel 30, verse 12, the account of a starving servant is recorded as follows: “…For he had not eaten bread or drunk water for three days and three nights.” But in verse thirteen, his problem had started three days ago. This passage therefore suggests, and I accept that “three days and three nights” is a figurative reference to three days or parts of days and not to a literal 72 hours or a literal three daylight periods and three darkness periods because three days ago would only include two darkness periods. If you compare 2 Chronicles 10:5 (return to me in three days) with 2 Chronicles 10:12 (came to Rehoboam on the third day) you will see that three days and on the third day mean the same thing, indicating that both inclusive counting was used and parts of days were counted as days in the pre-scientific culture. Inclusive counting means that you count today as the first day when saying something happened three or any number of days ago or in the future. Therefore, “three days and three nights” is a figurative reference to three days ago, and three days ago is the day before yesterday or literally only two nights ago. The point of Matthew 12:40 was not to create conflict with the many scriptures that say “on the third day” but only to draw a parallel with Jonah by using the terminology of Jonah 1:17

    Who are the usual suspects posting their unstudied attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter?

    Lets see: 37818?
    DaveG?
    Alan Gross?
     
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    Time has stood still. The Divine record that records the words and ways of God is the best way.
     
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    There is one actual event of the death, burial and resurrection.

    All genuine Christians agree on this.

    At issue, though, is the identity of that actual historical date.
     
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    Re: Matthew 12:40

    Mark 15:42.
    Thursday after sundown placed in the tomb.

    So first night and first day.
    Thursday after sundown till the end of Friday day.

    Second night and second day.
    Friday sundown to the end of Saturday day. The Sabbath.

    Third night and third day.
    Saturday sundown to Sunday day. Luke 24:21.
     
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    Once again the bogus claim is repeated but the valid view is ignored. Easter Malarkey
     
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    I see "Time Travel Theology" has been hoisted yet again. There is no need for "time standing still" to accept the biblical record that Christ died on Good Friday (today) and arose on Sunday morning. He is risen, He is risen indeed!!
     
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    Tomorrow is Easter, where we celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    How many threads have been started concerning the historical fact Jesus died and on the third day arose from the dead and was seen by many, hundreds, of people.

    His bodily resurrection is the linchpin of the Christian faith.
     
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    Today, with Resurrection Day in the rear view mirror, I see 4 featured threads quibbling and claiming Jesus was not crucified on Friday and Resurrected on the third day, Sunday.

    Such efforts are calculated to shift the focus from Christ, to the vain effort to validate aberrant beliefs.
     
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    Romans 2:1, Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
     
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    Every Easter the usual suspects post their unfounded attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter, which is Christ was crucified on Friday and was laid in the tomb before Saturday began at around sundown of Friday. Christ spent part of Friday, all of Saturday and arose just at daylight on Sunday, which using inclusive counting is three days, and is consistent with the Hebrew idiom of "3 days and 3 nights."

    The answer to Matthew 12:40 (three days and three nights) is to accept that Jesus was using a colloquialism, three days and three nights only referring to three days or part days rather than 72 literal hours. In 1 Samuel 30, verse 12, the account of a starving servant is recorded as follows: “…For he had not eaten bread or drunk water for three days and three nights.” But in verse thirteen, his problem had started three days ago. This passage therefore suggests, and I accept that “three days and three nights” is a figurative reference to three days or parts of days and not to a literal 72 hours or a literal three daylight periods and three darkness periods because three days ago would only include two darkness periods. If you compare 2 Chronicles 10:5 (return to me in three days) with 2 Chronicles 10:12 (came to Rehoboam on the third day) you will see that three days and on the third day mean the same thing, indicating that both inclusive counting was used and parts of days were counted as days in the pre-scientific culture. Inclusive counting means that you count today as the first day when saying something happened three or any number of days ago or in the future. Therefore, “three days and three nights” is a figurative reference to three days ago, and three days ago is the day before yesterday or literally only two nights ago. The point of Matthew 12:40 was not to create conflict with the many scriptures that say “on the third day” but only to draw a parallel with Jonah by using the terminology of Jonah 1:17

    Who are the usual suspects posting their unstudied attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter?
     
    #75 Van, Apr 12, 2024
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