Ellen White's "inspired" writings

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  1. trying2understand

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    A question for our SDA friends:

    Are all of White's writings "inspired"?
     
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    Bumped - hoping that Bob Ryan will enter into a discussion on this.
     
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    **creeeeeeak** ..goes the Can of Worms.. ;)
     
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    NOT one of her writings is inspired by GOD. There has been NO additional scripture since
    REVELATION. Mrs. White is right up there with
    Russell. She has ALOT to answer for. Perhaps she
    should have stayed quiet in the church.
     
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    I am soooooo tempted to ask you how do you know that there is no more divinely inspired scripture after Revelation. Who told you? [​IMG]

    But never mind, that might lead to something else..... [​IMG]

    BTW, I agree that Ellen G. White's writings are NOT divinely inspired! Another "authority" assures me that this is so... [​IMG]

    Carson is right, this is a "can of worms!" [​IMG]

    God bless,

    PAX

    Rome has spoken, case is closed.

    Derived from Augustine's famous Sermon.
     
  6. Carson Weber

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    A_Christian,

    There is a good possibility that Revelation isn't the last epistle to have been written, which is canonized in the New Testament.
     
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    Ahhh the deep end of the pool! :rolleyes:

    #1. Check Numbers 12 and 1Cor 14 to see "if every word ever spoken by someone with the gift of prophecy - is also inspired".

    #2. Check the NT - 1Cor 14 to see "if every prophet in the church of Corinth ALSO has a book in the Bible".

    The facts are simple. The Bible shows the existence of many prophets - (ALL of them inspired by God according to Saint Peter's letter) - but only a FEW of them have writtings that God sovereignly chose to place in scripture.

    1Cor 12 and 1Cor 14 make it clear "desire earnestly spiritual gifts - especially that you may prophesy".

    In Numbers 12 God describes the ministry of a prophet - and exactly how they receive messages "IF there is a prophet among you, I will speak to them in a dream or a vision".

    In 2Samuel 7 - we see a case where David goes to a prophet - seeking the will of God on whether or not to build a temple for God. Nathan's answer as a prophet is "go build the temple - God is with you". If God had just left Nathan swinging in the breeze so to speak - and then went to David and said "Pay no attention to Nathan - he is right sometimes but this time he is wrong" then David could never again trust the prophetic ministry of Nathan. After all - how would he know if Nathan was right.

    But in this case - God immediately corrects Nathan. Nathan gives the corrected view to David and David can "continue" to trust Nathan knowing that It is God that owns the job of correcting him and making that correction known to the people.

    So there is the Bible perspective in a single post.

    IN Christ,

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    I suppose I have to agree with Carson on that one... so I will.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Bob, sometimes less is more.

    I think the short answer here is "no", but given your tendency to verbosity I could be wrong. :D

    So my next question is then:

    How do SDA's know which of Ms. White's writings are inspired and which are not?
     
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    I had interpreted Bob's post to mean that none of them were.

    Bob, correct me if I'm understanding you wrong, please.

    Mark
     
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    'I was sooooootempted to say, "What about the Vatican's add-on theology like, the Immaculate Conception, the Rosary, the Assumption of Mary, Prayers for the Dead, Purgatory and on and on.' What's the difference in Ellen White's writings? All of these are extra-Biblical and God said No! No! [Revelation 22:18-19]

    WPutnam said, 'I am soooooo tempted to ask you how Who told you?

    Ray is saying, 'The Bible tells me so. Note [Revelation 22:18-19]'

    WPutnam said, 'Who told you?'

    Ray is saying, 'The Triune Godhead has told us; remember?'
     
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    Just a thought, but anyone with the gift of prophecy would never be wrong. Now when I read some of her stuff I found plenty not biblical,a nd many failed prophecies. According to scripture one failed prophecy makes a false prophet, adn God takes it so seriously He says to stone them.
     
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    Sorry, we cannot stone Mrs. White. She has already gone to her just reward.
     
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    No she hasn't - she's asleep until the investigative judgement is finished. ;)
     
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    Pastor Greg,

    I remember the 'investigative judgement' idea from seminary days; way back in time. I did forget the meaning behind it but remember we studied five major cults: Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and Christian Science. I may be wrong but I have at times thought that some SDV's are 'born again' persons.
     
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    The term "investigative judgment" is a term Adventist use to apply to the scene of Daniel 7 where "The court sits and the books are opened".

    It simply means - books are used in a courtroom scenario and that this is done in heaven afterwhich "judgment is passed in favor of the saints" as Daniel 7 clearly states.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    As for the gift of phrophecy and the fact that the texts I have given "do show" prophets existing "outside the Bible writers" - there can be no doubt, it is clearly a fact of scripture. We have no way to squeeze them all back into being Bible authors - they are not all authors of the OT or NT text as I have shown.

    AS for whether these prophets mentioned IN the Bible (but not authors OF the Bible) had their every word declared as "inspiried" I have shown that nothing in scripture supports such a conclusion.

    Your question about Ellen White differs in no way from the same question asked about any one of them.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    The question is:

    How do SDA's know which of Ms. White's writings are inspired and which are not?
     
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    Your question about Ellen White differs in no way from the same question asked about any one of them.


    Which "means" you have to start with the "Bible model".

    I know that is a difficult concept for some - who are used to man-made traditions just "making stuff up" and then deciding if "they like it" or asking themselves "did the Pope say it?" as their form of "decision".

    I gave several "Bible examples" that could be worked through. However if the "Bible is not good enough" to resolve the question - neither would any modern day example of a spiritual gift.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Ok, let's make this a little easier for you. [​IMG]

    Are these quotes from her writings inspired or not?

    But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere. Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 64

    Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men. Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 75
     

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