Emotionalism or the Bible on the Subj of Prophets -- pick ONE

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  1. BobRyan

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    First we had the utter nonsense

    Then we have -

    Can the Bible student really be content to embrace "emotionalism and nonsense" on such important Bible topics?

    in Christ,

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    We believe Numbers 12:6 "is true"
    Numbers 12
    6 Then He said,
    “Hear now My words:
    If there is a prophet among you,
    I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision;
    I speak to him in a dream.

    7 Not so with My servant Moses;
    He is faithful in all My house.
    8 I speak with him face to face,
    Even plainly, and not in dark sayings;
    And he sees the form of the Lord.
    Why then were you not afraid
    To speak against My servant Moses?”



    We believe that Isaiah 30:8-11 is actually true.
    Isaiah 30:8-11
    8 Now go, write it before them on a tablet,
    And note it on a scroll,
    That it may be for time to come,
    Forever and ever:
    9 That this is a rebellious people,
    Lying children,
    Children who will not hear the law of the Lord;
    10 Who say to the seers, “You must not see visions”;
    And to the prophets, “You must not prophesy to us what is right,
    Speak to us pleasant words,Prophesy illusions.
    11 “Get out of the way, turn aside from the path,
    Let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel.”

    We believe that Eph 4:11-14 is actually true.
    Eph 4:
    11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
    14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


    1John 3:
    1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
    2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
    3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.





    We believe that 1Cor 14:1 is actually true.
    Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

    We believe that 1Cor 12 is true.
    28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.

    We believe that Rev 19:10 is true as well as Rev 12:17
    17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.



    Rev 19
    9 Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.” 10 Then I fell at his feet to worship him. But he *said to me, “Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

    Rev 22
    8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 But he *said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.”

    1Thess 5
    19 Do not quench the Spirit.
    20 Do not despise prophecies.
    21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
    22 Abstain from every form of evil.

    2Chron 20:20 “put your trust in His prophets and you will succeed



    In the examples above we have the "actual Bible"

    As for the nonsensical claim that the Bible always records every word of someone who is a prophet...
    ============================================================NT prophets
    Acts 13:1 – Prophets come up from Jerusalem. And Agabus among them gives a prophesy.
    Acts 15:32 – Judas and Silas were prophets.
    Acts 19:6 – They began to prophesy after Paul laid hands on them
    Acts 21:8-9 Philip’s 4 daughters were prophetesses
    Acts 21:10 Agabus prophesies again.
    1Cor 14 :1 Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
    or 14:1 desire earnestly spiritual gifts – especially that you may prophesy.


    So then ALL at the church of Corinth!!

    1Cor 14:26 – each one has a revelation




    Rev 22:9 Angel says to John “I am a fellow servant with you and our brethren the prophets”
    Rev 19:10 the Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy.
    ------------ Prophets in the GOSPELS
    Lk 1:67-68 Zacharias’ prophecy
    Lk 2: 25-27 Simeon’s prophecy
    Lk 2:36-38 Anna – prophetess

    ==============================conclusion

    "Give me the Bible and the words IN the Bible" is the better policy for Bible students.

    Those married to "nonsensical rant and ad hominem" as the solution to all that they oppose in the Bible - are choosing a less-than optimal solution.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    I never coauthored Testimonies so this garbage is 120% White lies:tonofbricks:
    Read here and keep your silly tantrums to yourself. You are too old for this. Read!
    Testimonies 5 p. 66.
    Anything lessening confidence including causing doubt in Ellen White is rebelling against God
     
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    Vooks - once again I will be going with the Bible on this one - so yet another topic where the Bible is going to be more important that the fluff you were offering us by contrast.


     
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    The UNSTABLE and UNLEARNED pretend to esteem Scriptures above all
    But this is their well;
    Morris Venden, The Pillars, p. 30.
    The ONLY 'inspired' commentary in the entire universe :laugh:
     
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    I have the Bible -- #4

    You have ... Morris Venden????

    Maybe you need to consider picking up a Bible while discussing Bible doctrine.

    Your "appeal to sola-emotionalism" wont work on this thread.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    BobRyan,
    I scraped some gem from your sewers
    Adventist Review, June 3. 1971, p, 6. The Source of Final Appeal, By Roderick S. Owen.

    And a screenshot for anyone too lazy to click this link
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    Brethren,

    Aren't we wasting a bit much bandwidth with all the Quotes we're using in this thread?

    Jest a-sayin'.
     
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    The Bible -- #4

    Vookism -- #8

    Pick one.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Meet the INSPIRED INTERPRETER of New and Old Testament, the only one in the entire world since 96AD, Pope Ellen White
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    Sabbath School Quarterly, April-June 1976, p. 92. Lesson Author Gordon M. Hyde, Editor W. Richard Lesher.
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    There is a book, Appeal to Mothers by Ellen White that SDAs long stopped publishing. It was among her 'health' books, and it focussed on 'solitary vice' or masturbation. As usual, Ellen White prophecies and visions were in the words of BobRyan 'made up' as she went and they revolved around contemporary issues.

    The relative limited knowledge of human physiology in the 18th and 19th century is mirrored in Ellen White 'health reforms'. Looks like her angel/god could not think beyond humans.

    This article examines her anti-solitary-vice rhetoric. Allow me to quote just a small portion of her book to demonstrate White Lies

    According to the above quotes, the following health problems are caused by masturbation:
    1. Brain weakened
    2. Cancerous tumors
    3.Catarrh
    4. Dropsy
    5. Eye-sight weakened
    6. Headache
    7. Head decay
    8. Insanity
    9. Kidney disease
    10. Liver disease
    11. Lung disease
    12. Memory loss
    13. Nervous system damage
    14. Neuralgia
    15. Pains in the system
    16. Premature death
    17. Rheumatism
    18. Spinal weakness/problems

    http://www.adventpioneerbooks.com/Text/SolemnAppeaL.pdf-1
    http://text.egwwritings.org/publicationtoc.php?bookCode=2T -2,3
    http://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Book&bookCode=ApM&pagenumber=25 -4

    And always remember she was inspired and none of her writing was her opinion and to think this was to rebel against God:laugh:
     
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    There is a new inspired sot around.
     
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    This thread deals with these Bible texts as per the OP


    Wayyyy too much Bible for Vooks as it turns out.

    But that is ok - others are free to respond to the text of the actual Bible.

    in Christ,

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    Cancerous tumor,
    Rheumatism
    Premature death?

    What weed was this woman smoking?
     

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