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Discussion in '2007 Archive' started by Salty, Feb 25, 2007.
my thoughts, the mayor was wrong.
Yep, and there are quite a few people here upset about it.
Yes he was, I agree. our country does not cater to any other ethnic group as much as we do to the hispanic population. Imagine a country whose official language was English and Spanish and German and French and Chineses and Hebrew and Arabic and etc.. We are Americans and Americans speak one language because it unites us all togethor. Having more than one official language just creates chaos and confusion and divides us.
Ooh, and a lot of the inhabitants of Nashville speak "Baptistese"! A law like this one might have required some of that Sunday School literature to be rewritten so that it actually communicates with real people!
(In my sarcastic mode, since the weather today was so threatening our pastor and deacon chairman called off services ... and I was all practiced up to play, "Joyful, Joyful, We Adore Thee").
How about the Anglo-Saxon population? We cater to them most of all.
The Swiss seem to do nicely with German and Italian and French. Why do we need an official language?
Since when? America has always been multilingual.
Only if you let it.
This is why we need a national language. Didn't the founder of our country speak English's? that might be a good reason, we all spoke english here at one time. we shouldn't have tolerant the languages of people who abandon their own countries and come here. in times past they learned ours, now we cater to them.
And what happens if you have more then one national language, you either learn foreign languages, or your lost, and it is chaos when a country can't function because of it.
English only is cost effective. The monies spent for multi-lingual teachers, interpreters, governmental forms, it goes on and on. Then.... how many languages do you have? If I speak Latvian, or mongolian don't I have a right to access to life in the U.S. in my own language? What about all the American native populations?
How about it Daisy? We can raise your property taxes every time a new ethnic group wants it all in their language!:laugh:
America has always been multilingual. But our government should do business in English. A sweeping "english only" edict could supress freedoms, and we should be careful about that. But "English only" with respect to government's affairs makes sense to me. (and I do understand a "public safety" exception. Of course we need Spanish-speaking policemen, for instance).
It's a well-used example, but still valid. We will give driver's licenses to folks who can't read or speak a lick of English. They are a danger to themselves and others on the road.
Ako'y hindi ipinanganak na nagsasalita ng Ingles pero palagay ko hindi naman dapat na ang Amerika ang siyang makibagay sa dayo, kundi ang dayo ang dapat makisama at matutong makibagay sa bansang nagiging mabuti sa kanya, di ba ?
Pag pumunta kayo sa Arabia, Arabo ang salita doon, kung hindi ka marunong ng Arabo, kamutin mo ang dapat mong kamutin, bahala ka sa sarili mo.
Pag pumunta ka sa ibang bansa at tumira ka doon, magaral ka ng salita nila, at inaasahan nilang magaaral ka ng salita nila.
Dito mahilig kayong magtututuwad kaya kayo inaabuso ng mga bisita ninyo.
Ikaw naman, kahit na may katuwiran at tama ang tao, lagi kang kontrapelo.
It would be good for our nation to be multi-lingual
I have had one high school class in spanish...I am to take 2 more spanish classes paid for by my employerer...I am looking forward too it...Spanish is a beautiful language along with French.
Acutually being multi-lingual will unite the country and show some humility to the world...this nation is probably the most unpopular it has ever been in the eyes of the world...right wing people do not give a flying hoot they stick to the john birch line of damn the world full speed ahead which probably means war and warmongering.
bottom line I am for communication and education to dig us out of ignorance and puffed up pride.
May kasabihan po sa amin, ginoo.
Sabi po ng aming pambansang bayani, si Dr. Jose Rizal, "Ang hindi magmahal sa sariling wika, ay tulad ng isang malansang isda".
Walang nagsasabi dito na hindi magandang wika ang salitang Kastila o ang salitang Pranses, at hindi pinaguusapan dito ang pagka may pinagaralan na maipamamalas sa pagiging sanay at hasa sa ibang wika. Kayabangan po iyon.
Ang pinaguusapan dito ay ang katotohanang ang dayo ang dapat na bumagay, at hindi ang dinayo.
Malungkot isiping kapagka hindi ninyo minahal ang wika ninyo, maaaring matulad kayo sa aming hamak na bansa na Taglish o Bislish ang salita, at bibihira na ang sanay na magsalita ng kanyang nilakhang wika na walang halong Ingles.
Kapagka nagkagayon, Spanglish kayo dito, at hindi lang iyon, hahalo sa gulo ang susunod na mga malalaking pangkat dito bukod sa mga kastila, tulad ng Koreano, Hapon, Insik, Biyetnamis, Bumbay, Ruso, at kaming mga Pinoy.
Aba, e, ano ba ang kaibahan namin sa mga Kastilang iyan at ang aming mga wika ay hindi ninyo aampunin din ? Mas hamak baga ang pagtingin ninyo sa amin ?
No interpreter ?
Well, now, I guess Filipinos will have to bite their tongue right now. We'll just have to learn English because our language is such an ugly one, and we're in the minority of minorities.
Ain't no one gon' take up our cause, I guess.
We'll just have to organize and lobby that each local and federal office should have Filipino-Americans who speak our language, and documents be made available in our language.
Come to think of it, I think I'll reach out to the Chinese, Koreans, Hindi, Pakistani, Russian, Vietnamese, Laotian, Slavic, and those other communities to demand that the United States of America's citizens and nationals also learn their language, and not them learning English.
Yes, they are both beautiful languages. But to be a success in the United States, students need to become proficient in the majority language - English.
My mother's family came over from Europe not knowing one word of English. My grandmother and grandfather worked hard to learn the language in order to be successful. My mother and aunt were dropped into the eighth grade in the public school system in the 1950s without anyone to translate for them. Over the course of the school year they eventually understood the teacher and learned to read their assignments and talk to their classmates. A few years later they both graduated with honors.
Back in the 1970s when I was in grade school, the U.S. pulled out of Vietnam and relocated a large number of Vietnamese people on the Texas coast where I grew up. The children were enrolled in our schools not knowing a word of English, but they learned it through the course of the school year without any language help from the school district or the government. Many of those same students became top honor students and learned English better than those of us who grew up speaking it.
While I don't have any problem with public schools making multi-lingual teachers available for students in the very early years (not to teach in another language, but to clarify English for students who only know another language), we should not enable behavior that will be a detriment to success.
I'm also for communication and education. I think students should know more than one language... but they need to master English before any other language.
How many languages are there in the world? and how many of those languages are spoken in this country? which of those are you going to make official languages and which not? how do you choose? either way your leaving someone out. as i said our country was founded by English speaking peoples. people come here they need to learn our language instead of all learning theres. how many languages is that again we'll all need to learn? they decided to leave their language and culture behind and come to ours, it's up to them to adapt, not us.
Why is this even an issue when the naturalization process for the United States requires an ability to read, write and speak English?
Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is conferred upon a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements established by Congress in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The general requirements for administrative naturalization include:
a period of continuous residence and physical presence in the United States;
residence in a particular USCIS District prior to filing;
an ability to read, write, and speak English;
a knowledge and understanding of U.S. history and government;
good moral character;
attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution; and,
favorable disposition toward the United States.
Note: Recent changes in immigration law and USCIS procedures now make it easier for U.S. military personnel to naturalize (see Naturalization Information for Military Personnel).
All naturalization applicants must demonstrate good moral character, attachment, and favorable disposition. The other naturalization requirements may be modified or waived for certain applicants, such as spouses of U.S. citizens. Applicants should review the following materials and carefully read the N-400 application instructions before applying.
Your post is infantile...there are translations sites...duh!
In fact you cannot even type the language properly the translation sites did not even recognize half the words.
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It has become an issue because certain immigrants will likely not be applying for citizenship because in the first place they have no papers to prove they are here legally.
Notwithstanding that fact about them, some Americans, and especially politicians, want to accomodate them, and to accomodate them, they do not have to labor to learn English, instead, the Americans want to learn their languages.
I agree with you that this should not even be an issue IF and FOR the immigrant who legally came over to the US and therefore must be subject to the regulations for US citizenship about the ability to read, write, and speak English, which regulation will probably even be done away with, or at least, waived, if certain people can have their way.
With or without law, the churches have an opportunity to help all these immigrants succeed by offering English classes AND by extending a loving witness at the same time. A friend and former parishioner of mine, who is now back in the Washington area, is working with our church toward beginning a new congregation for French-speaking Africans (most of whom also speak one or more tribal langauges). He will use our church members as volunteers, and out of this effort hopes to build a worshipping congregation. There is real excitement already among our church folks about participating in such a ministry.
Just think, if we struggled to learn each other's languages, we could have had that Babel tower built long ago.