This issue has been raised on differing threads. It would seem appropriate to address this in a thread of it's own. I will start with comments by DHK for another thread and then proceed with comments and questions of my own. HP:I have not heard one person use the words sinless perfection in my entire lifetime apart from those opposing a sanctified life. Sinless perfection can mean a lot of different things to different people. Take DHK for instance. I have heard him make comments to the effect that a mere evil thought is sin, and that any violation of civil law is sin. Now using his definition of sin, mistakes, circumstances beyond our control and sheer fleeting or passing thoughts are all classified as sin as I understand him. IF I accepted such a broad and unscriptural definition for sin as DHK seems to hold to, I would have to agree with him that sinless perfection would be a wonderful paper duck to put up to shoot at. Have I misrepresented DHK's definition of sin thus far? Before we engage in any further discussion of sanctification, I would like for DHK and or others to define sin for the list in clear terms so we do not talk past each other in our discussion.