Eternal Justification !

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    Saved in the Purpose of God equals Eternal Justification !

    Did you know that all who are in time converted by the Gospel, which is a saving in and of itself, saved by the Power of the Gospel Rom 1:16

    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation[conversion] to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    1 Cor 1:18,21

    18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved[converted] it is the power of God.

    21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

    Saved by the Spirits Renewing/Sanctification Titus 3:5

    5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

    2 Thess 2:13,14

    13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel[The Power of God Rom 1:16], to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    These were already saved in te Purpose of God 2 Tim 1:9

    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    Now understand, In the Purpose of God, all for whom Christ would die for in Time @ the Cross of Calvery, to bare their sins in His own Body 1 Pet 2:24, they were already saved from their sins penalty incurred by Adam Rom 5:12 and with regard to their own personal sins Rom 5:16 and here the many offences comes from all the personal sins of those who at first sinned in their Federal and Natural head Adam, Adams sin was their inlet sin for the avalanche of sins they would commit upon physical birth;

    Yet in the Purpose of God, they were Saved from, Justified from them by the Non Imputation of their sins unto them, and this blessing before the foundation is a vital branch of Eternal Salvation Heb 5:9, in that there was a world of people Chosen in Christ before the foundation, whom God would not charge or impute with their sins 2 Cor 5:19

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
     
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    Eternal Justification equals Eternal Security

    Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

    29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

    31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

    32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

    33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

    36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

    37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

    38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

    39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
     
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    Saved in the Purpose of God equals Eternal Justification !2

    Yet in the Purpose of God, they were Saved from, Justified from them by the Non Imputation of their sins unto them, and this blessing before the foundation is a vital branch of Eternal Salvation Heb 5:9, in that there was a world of people Chosen in Christ before the foundation, whom God would not charge or impute with their sins 2 Cor 5:19

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    The reason being, for non imputation of sin upon that world of people, God in His Eternal Purpose has already charged the condemnation of their sins to Christ [God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them]

    Hence He was in the Purpose of God, the Lamb slain [for sins imputed] from the foundation Rev 13:8

    And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Appointed before the foundation 1 Pet 1:20

    20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    And so the Gospel Message is that of Non Imputation of Sin 2 Cor 5:18-19

    18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    The question is when exactly was God in Christ reconciling the World to Himself, and not imputing their trespasses to them ? It was before the foundation in the Everlasting Covenant !

    In John Gills excellent Paper on Eternal Justification, we read this:

    http://www.mountzionpbc.org/Index/index04.htm

    So the Non Imputation of sin is an Gospel Doctrine[2 Cor 5:19]is based upon Paul's Knowledge of the Eternal Purpose of God in Christ 2 Tim 1:9

    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace[In the Everlasting Covenant], which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
     
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    Do you believe in Eternal Justification ? That God's Elect in Christ have been Justified before God from Everlasting ?
     
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    There are stages to justification.
     
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    Once justified always justified.

    There are stages to sanctification, there are no stages to Justification, a person is either eternally Justified or they are not. The Roman catholic cult has it wrong when they say they can merit unmerited favor (Grace).
     
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    Don't you? In the mind of God it's a done deal accomplished in time. Do you believe God will save ALL his children or will he lose one?
     
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    There ARE stages to justification. ETERNAL justification happens in Eternity past in God's decree to save some. Then VIRTUAL justification happens at Christ's death and resurrection. Finally, ACTUAL justification happens when the Spirit saves the elect.
     
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    Saved in the Purpose of God equals Eternal Justification !3

    This Non Imputation of sin within God's Purpose also includes full pardon or forgiveness of sins, Rom 4:7-8

    7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

    8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    And so just as Non Imputation of sin here denotes sins forgiven, covered, so it does in 2 Cor 5:19 , the blessing of it is secured by Non imputation, which we have a scriptural reason to believe it was before the foundation, so hence 2 Cor 5:19 is one of the clearest scriptures for Eternal Justification, which makes it a Gospel Doctrine !
     
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    Rehearse with me the points I made in the OP and the following post ! Lets see if you understood the points I made. Thanks !
     
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    Actual justification is not obtained by the elect before birth. The elect must obtain justification by faith. Election precedes justification...but election isn't actual justification.
     
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    What about actual Justification before God, when does God view them actually Justified before His Law and Justice and Justified from their sins ?
     
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    All of time (all of the past, all of the present, and all of the future) lays bare in front of God. IN A SENSE God views the elect as having been justified before time; in a sense God views the elect as having been justified at Christ's death and resurrection; in a sense God views the elect as justified when they put their faith in Him.
     
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    You didn't answer my question, maybe you need to read it more carefully ! I never said anything about in a sense !
     
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    Yes I did answer it. It's called a "particular affirmative". So the answer was "yes, IN A SENSE".
     
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    That is not what I Asked you, you must be scared to answer it How about this , is there ever a time, when the Elect of God are condemned by God , not Justified before Him ? If so , when was it ?
     
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    ??? I answer your question then you accuse me of being scared to answer it?? You must not know what a "particular affirmative" is and how it works. SMH. Obviously you're lacking education.
     
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    Yeah you scared, and evasive !
     
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    Saved in the Purpose of God equals Eternal Justification !4

    Now many enemies of the Gospel Doctrine of Non Imputation, which does equate to Eternal Justification, they make the slanderous accusation that , for one to believe in Eternal Justification, it must mean they have no regard for the Cross of Christ, but that is a slander and misrepresentation, and here is why:

    Justification is derived from non imputation of sin, which we have reasonably concluded to be first and foremost from before the foundation of the world, based upon these Two scriptures 1 Pet 1:20; Rev 13:8, where its obvious God has purposed to impute sin on Christ, in order for Him to die for them in the fullness of time Gal 4:4; 1 Cor 15:3;

    Hence Eternal Justification, Non Imputation of sin has its premise on God imputing the sins of the elect upon Christ, so that He in the fullness of time would come and die for them, and so this shows the enemies of the Gospel [EJ is an Gospel Truth] that their accusations are false and unjust, for EJ has everything to do with Christ's Death for Imputed sins of the Elect to Him !
     
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    Saved in the Purpose of God equals Eternal Justification !5

    Because of the Non Imputation of sin, and that from before the foundation, there can never be condemnation to them which are in Christ Rom 8:1

    There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    How could it be when those in Christ where Chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4

    4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    And Grace was given them in Him [Christ Jesus] before the World began 2 Tim 1:9

    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    So in reality they themselves have never been condemned by God ! That is not to say they were not guilty of sin and condemnation Rom 5:18

    18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    However the Guilt and Charge of it was Charged to Christ before the World Began 1 Pet 1:20

    20 Who verily was foreordained[For Redemption] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    Rev 13:8

    8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain [for sins charged to Him] from the foundation of the world.

    So the deserved condemnation of Rom 5:18 was not legally charged to them personally in Christ Rom 8:1 !
     

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