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Discussion in 'Bible Versions/Translations' started by Rippon, Jun 11, 2007.

  1. Rippon

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    Is anyone familiar with the English Version For The Deaf ? It is also known as the Easy-To-Read Version . I was introduced to this version last night for the first time . I would like to take some time and go through it a great deal . I just scanned several verses .

    I'm on a ministry team which goes to a Psych-ward on Sundays . Some of the patients are intelligent , but many are not in a lucid state of mind . Others are mentally challenged . Still others know English haltingly as a second language . A young woman on the team showed me this new Bible . She wants to give away a bunch of copies with the permission of the Church .

    So far the messages have been with the NASBU version . It takes time away from the message to explain some of the more difficult words in that particular version . If the patients had access to an accurate , but simplified Bible , they would be learning some needed saving truths .
     
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  2. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    Version for the Deaf? They can see, why do they need another written version?

    What next? A version for the crippled? for the Hunchback?
     
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    This shows an astounding lack of understanding of deaf culture, and quite honestly, is offensive.

    When you post like this, does this start a new 24-hour period of sinlessness?
     
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    Deaf people are not blind, rbell. No need for yet another translation.

    Deaf people are taught to read regular books. I have several deaf friends who read the KJV and write lengthy papers. There is no need for another new translation.
     
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    [sarcasm] of course. True in 1610, true in 1768, true now. [/sarcasm]

    Sorry. You're ignorance of deaf culture (and insensitivity as evidenced in earlier post) is still showing. Wanna keep digging?
     
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    HBSMN,


    It's true that some deaf people can read and write the with same English grammar that you and I do, but many cannot.

    The English that is taught to deaf people is different that the English that you and I learned. My uncle could read standard English, but with a little trouble.

    He spoke in the deaf English.

    Find some posts here by Deafposttrib and you will see what we are talking about. He, to me, uses a mixture of both. He is not the only deaf person on here.

    There has been another quite intelligent deaf person that used to post here, but had great difficulty in making himself understood. People mocked him and he didn't stay long.

    So, to make a long story short, (oops! too late), there is most definitely an English for the deaf that is less complicated than standard English.

    And it wouldn't hurt one bit for you to say that you didn't know that.
     
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    While DeafPostTrib may be deaf, since this new EVT or whatever has not been written yet, it is evident that DPT learned to read and write without it. Deaf people have been reading and writing for centuries.

    I reiterate, there is no need for another written version of the Bible.

    What next? THB? WKB?

    When does it stop?
     
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    chapter & verse, please?


    Who got to decide "when there shouldn't be another version written?" Since when did God Almighty put you in charge of that determination?

    It's amazing that with the hundreds of posts you've put up, you've never been wrong.

    Guess you're starting a new 24 hours. Again.
     
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    lay off the antagonism please. there was no need to attack another poster on this thread. if you disagree, please state your view and support it with your reasoning.

    is there some reason that the deaf cannot profit fully from the current versions of Scripture? or is this an example of the sometimes-antagonistic deaf community demanding that others adapt to them, rather than striving to adapt to others? we have an obligation to make sure, to the best of our ability, that everyone CAN understand Scripture, if they are willing to try. but the restaurant-buffet view of Scripture, the idea that God or society must serve us what we want, when we want it, in a form that meets with our approval, is probably not helpful.
     
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    No one here has even remotely suggested that.

    What was suggested is that the easy-to-read version which serves the deaf might also serve those whose English is a second language and the severely mentally and psychologically challenged.

    It was just a suggestion thrown out for discussion.


    Whew! :BangHead:

    This unfortunate comment makes for a whole 'nother thread.


    Again, where did you see any of these concepts in the original post?
     
  11. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    MARK 7:32-37 (English Version for the Deaf, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, Michigan)
    While Jesus was there, some people brought a man to him. This man was deaf and could not talk. The people begged Jesus to put his hand on the man to heal him.
    Jesus led the man away from the people to be alone with him. Jesus put his fingers in the man's ears. Then Jesus spit and touched the man's tongue. Jesus looked up to the sky and made a breathing sound. Jesus said to the man, "Ephphatha!" (This means, "Open!") When Jesus did this, the man was able to hear. The man was able to use his tongue and spoke clearly.
    The people were really amazed. The people said, "Jesus does everything in a good way. Jesus makes deaf people able to hear. And the people who can't talk--Jesus makes them able to talk."

    Why do they omit verse 36? They state it is verse 32 - 37, but it is not. It is no different than the others that omit verses.

     
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    I didn't. I was asking questions about the argument between HBSMN and rbell.

    Questions and a general statement about the obligation to try to understand. You seem to have interpreted my post as some sort of criticism. It wasn't.
     
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    Chessic,

    I have become accustomed to rbell's arrogance toward me. I pray daily that he might not attack people as he does.
     
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    Good job with your post, HBSMN...getting a dig in, while maintaining an "attitude of holiness." Disingenuous, but it gives the appearance of righteousness. Hidden arrogance is still arrogance, though.

    Back to the his original post...I don't think HBSMN realizes that there is such a thing as "deaf culture." He assumes that everyone should "get it" just exactly as he does. Sorry...it doesn't work that way.

    If HBSMN had his way, some of my learning-disabled, unchurched-until-recently kids who are just beginning to learn about God would have to struggle through a KJV (a fine translation) whose reading level and language barrier would shut them down.

    I'm not trying to make this a KJV debate. I just find it interesting that HBSMN can definitively say that "we don't need another version." That's quite presumptuous.

    I would be quite interested in deafposttrib's take on the matter.
     
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    Chessic and HBSMN need to have some compassion .

    The marginalized people of which I spoke in the OP are not clamoring for their civil rights . They are among "the least of these" of which the Bible speaks . They don't have strength of their own . Others come alongside them to help .

    Speaking of help -- I take it that you two don't have that gift of helps ( 1 Cor. 12:28 ) . Have you ever visited a prison , nursing home or other such place with folks who are challenged mentally , psychologically etc. ? Have you been with those who struggle with English as a second or third language ? You might gain an appreciation which you currently lack when actually in the midst of dealing with various kinds of people who are outsiders in the eyes of many .

    Lastly , one size does not fit all . There is no biblical mandate that the Bible in English must be retained in a singular form throughout the ages . The Lord is Almighty . Do not try to put Him and His Word into a box of your making ( that's called idolatry ) . Instead , thank Him for the multiplicity of English translations which minister to a variety of people .
     
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    People are taught to read in Greek and Hebrew every day.

    Why have any English translations? Could we not all just learn the languages?
     
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    In the same respect Rippon, do not try to put the Lord in your box that allows so much confusion of what He did or did not say.
     
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    I would contend that your "box" is much smaller than Rippon's.

    Your "box" is only as big as your favorite translation...and you've elevated "we don't need another translation" to scriptural status.
     
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    Don't forget, God works in small packages.

    A still small voice,
    David killed Goliath,
    An army of 300 men defeated an even larger army of 120,000 men.

    God doesn't need multiple versions to get His job done... just a few faithful men who will not distort His Word.
     
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    Woah! Folks let us back off the attacks. If we can't discuss the topic of the OP without the personal attacks and insults it will be closed with no notice.
     

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