I am not talking about physical or spiritual death. I am talking about a true child of God that is in spiritual union with Christ but walk "after" but not "in" the flesh. I am talking about a true child of God that must be instructed to "put off" the flesh and "put on" the new inward man created in true holiness and righteousness. I am talking about the Galatians 5:16, 25 and Romans 7:25 man. Your living above sin and justified by works advocates are deathly afraid of this kind of man in scriptures because it exposes their whole soteriological as ignorance and deception. They cannot admit that there is a continuing GROWTH experience in the life of a child of God that is molded by an INWARD CONTINUING BATTLE between indwelling sin in their flesh and the indwelling Spirit of God in their spirit. They cannot admit that this battle is lost and won on a daily basis (take up your cross daily) but the war has already been won by Christ. They cannot admit that some Christians are losing daily battles more often than winning them and that its this very loss that God uses to grow them. No, they invent a doctrine called "perseverance of the saints" that is defined to exclude any such man but rather present a fictious man that always wins more than he loses such daily battles and when he loses his eternity is at stake because they deny that Christ has already won the war. Rom. 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Rom. 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Gal. 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Eph. 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Of course those who believe in living above sin and that entrance into heaven is ultimately justified by works deny that such texts even refer to saved people. It should seem obvious that Paul would not tell saved people to "put off" and "put on" if saved people were not in a conflict between the two. Experiential death in the life of a Child of God is when they fail to "put off" the old man and his deeds. Experiential death in the life of a child of God is when they walk "after" the flesh. Experiential death in the life of a child of God is when they reap what they sowed to the flesh.